Possesion arrow indicators for whistles

[Rich1]

I don't see a problem with tracking the possession arrow in your pocket and have done it off and on for years. I can think of very few games where the AP arrow was not questioned at least once requiring partner and I to discuss/detrrmine. But it is better topractice.doing it by memory as its the best practice in this situation.

I do not like using a rubber band or other outwardly visible marker. Say you have it on your right hand to indicate an AP but decide the ball should be awarded in the other direction. It could give fans and coaches something to flip out about, especially in those youth games where they're just feetfrom the court.

If your going to track it, then track it discretly.

[Hartsy]

Over the years I have seen and heard many different ways that officials use to keep track of the arrow, and often wonder "why not just look at the table and make sure they switch it?" (or DON'T switch it on the rare occasion when that happens) Secondly, for those of you using the "tricks" to keep arrow, ever have a sitch where the scorebooks and arrow indicate possession one way and you have another? At that point you need to talk to table crew, but if you watch the arrow after the AP throw ins, you can catch any problems when they occur, and BEFORE the next AP opportunity. Less chance for someone to make a big deal out of it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

Over the years I have seen and heard many different ways that officials use to keep track of the arrow, and often wonder "why not just look at the table and make sure they switch it?" (or DON'T switch it on the rare occasion when that happens) Secondly, for those of you using the "tricks" to keep arrow, ever have a sitch where the scorebooks and arrow indicate possession one way and you have another? At that point you need to talk to table crew, but if you watch the arrow after the AP throw ins, you can catch any problems when they occur, and BEFORE the next AP opportunity. Less chance for someone to make a big deal out of it.

And that is really my point. The table arrow (not the scoreboard) is the official device. If you do not agree because you have a whistle in a certain pocket, then what? At some point you will have to know what took place. Why not just do that from the beginning?

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by Hartsy

Over the years I have seen and heard many different ways that officials use to keep track of the arrow, and often wonder "why not just look at the table and make sure they switch it?" (or DON'T switch it on the rare occasion when that happens) Secondly, for those of you using the "tricks" to keep arrow, ever have a sitch where the scorebooks and arrow indicate possession one way and you have another? At that point you need to talk to table crew, but if you watch the arrow after the AP throw ins, you can catch any problems when they occur, and BEFORE the next AP opportunity. Less chance for someone to make a big deal out of it.

I have seen table crews switch the arrow on their own accord for whatever reason.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by APG

I have seen table crews switch the arrow on their own accord for whatever reason.

And that is why you should "know" your mind. Devices are only as good as the person using them.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by APG

I have seen table crews switch the arrow on their own accord for whatever reason.

I carry my own arrow (I know, I'm a geek). Most NYC schools don't have an AP arrow at the table. They all tell me it's for financial reasons. When i tell them how I made mine that blows the money thing out of the water.

It's one of the blocks my kids used to play with when they were little. I printed "POSS -->" on a sheet of paper and "<---POSS" on another, attached them to the block with clear tape and there you have it. The "POSS--->" and "<---POSS" mirror each other so the table crew sees the same direction we see on the court.

And I'll say it again: I know, I'm a geek. But it works.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by APG

I have seen table crews switch the arrow on their own accord for whatever reason.

Yep. Table (properly) switches the arrow, but the book forgets to write it down. A few minutes later, the book notices that the arrow is pointing the "wrong" way and has it switched, during play, and none of the officials notices it. Now, at the next held ball, there's a conflict.

[constable]

I have a great method of helping keep track of the AP arrow. It is called " remembering".

If white has the ball to start, I remember black gets the next one.

Works like a charm!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by constable

I have a great method of helping keep track of the AP arrow. It is called " remembering".

I would guess that you don't work too many girls middle school games, the games where there is no arrow at the table, and a million held balls. Wait? Did I say a million held balls? That's ridiculous, and impossible. I really meant to say a billion held balls.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I would guess that you don't work too many girls middle school games, the games where there is no arrow at the table, and a million held balls. Wait? Did I say a million held balls. That's ridiculous, and impossible. I really meant to say a billion held balls.

One more reason not to work those games. As if that really had to be stated.

Peace

[constable]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I would guess that you don't work too many girls middle school games, the games where there is no arrow at the table, and a million held balls. Wait? Did I say a million held balls? That's ridiculous, and impossible. I really meant to say a billion held balls.

No arrow at the table no start the game. That is the direction from our association.

[jeremy341a]

About a month ago we had a freshman game that didn't have an arrow. The lady running the table used a white ink pen that had a black cap to keep track of it as well as the book. She would point for us when there was a held ball as most of the time the pen wasn't visible to us.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

About a month ago we had a freshman game that didn't have an arrow. The lady running the table used a white ink pen that had a black cap to keep track of it as well as the book. She would point for us when there was a held ball as most of the time the pen wasn't visible to us.

I do not care what they use, just as long as it is something at the table that can point in a direction.

And no, the scoreboard is not good enough.

Also the book should be keeping track as well. So there are enough checks and balances other than using a silly whistle in your pocket.

Peace