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QuebecRef87 Mon Jan 31, 2005 09:11am

Foul on a shot, no basket (2 free throws). Defender then gets a technical foul (2 more FTs).

Now, when administering the free throws (BTW, nobody on the lanes for all 4 FTs, right?) should we say "Four shots" or "Two shots, but you got two after the two......" (or something like that)?

Thanks!

joseph2493 Mon Jan 31, 2005 09:13am

Quote:

Originally posted by Wise Weasel
Foul on a shot, no basket (2 free throws). Defender then gets a technical foul (2 more FTs).

Now, when administering the free throws (BTW, nobody on the lanes for all 4 FTs, right?) should we say "Four shots" or "Two shots, but you got two after the two......" (or something like that)?

Thanks!

"shooting two" you shoot the first two for the shooting foul.

"shooting two" you shoot the T

Remember that the shooter may change after the "shooting foul" shots.

QuebecRef87 Mon Jan 31, 2005 09:15am

Thanks
 
It makes sense indeed. Thanks for the quick reply!

Stan Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:50am

Remember, you may have 3 shooters in this sitch.

8-3

[Edited by Stan on Jan 31st, 2005 at 10:56 AM]

tjones1 Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:19am

Quote:

Originally posted by Stan
Remember, you may have 3 shooters in this sitch.

8-3

[Edited by Stan on Jan 31st, 2005 at 10:56 AM]

Great point Stan! Stole my thunder!! ;)

ChuckElias Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:17pm

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Originally posted by Stan
Remember, you may have 3 shooters in this sitch.

8-3

You could have 4 shooters if the first shooter injures himself during his FT :)

JugglingReferee Mon Jan 31, 2005 01:04pm

Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Quote:

Originally posted by Stan
Remember, you may have 3 shooters in this sitch.

8-3

You could have 4 shooters if the first shooter injures himself during his FT :)

You could have 5 shooters if the defense violates on one of the shots. :)

Been Dare Mon Jan 31, 2005 01:07pm

This is getting ridiculous!

You could have NO shooters, if an earthquake levelled the building at that moment,too. So what??

bigzilla Mon Jan 31, 2005 01:12pm

So you are saying they can have two different shooters each shoot one of the shots for the T? Never knew that...and have never seen anyone try it.

joseph2493 Mon Jan 31, 2005 01:13pm

Quote:

Originally posted by bigzilla
So you are saying they can have two different shooters each shoot one of the shots for the T? Never knew that...and have never seen anyone try it.
Yep, you can have one shooting the first and one shooting the second.

Stan Mon Jan 31, 2005 01:15pm

Quote:

Originally posted by bigzilla
So you are saying they can have two different shooters each shoot one of the shots for the T?
Yes. Rule 8 Section 3

Boiler14 Mon Jan 31, 2005 01:31pm

Not sure you can have the defense violate if they aren't in the lane spaces to begin with.

I have seen two different shooters shoot technicals. It happened in 1992. I was a freshman high school coach. It was late in the season. I had two kids who rarely got a chance to play, let alone score. The game was already decided. I gave them each one of the technicals to shoot. They both made the shot. It was a great day for those kids.

Remember that you can also put in a sub to shoot technicals. That is what I did with one of them.

Jurassic Referee Mon Jan 31, 2005 01:36pm

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Originally posted by Boiler14
Not sure you can have the defense violate if they aren't in the lane spaces to begin with.


It's a violation if the defense breaks the plane of the 3-point line or the FT line extended before a FT with no one on the lanes is over.

joseph2493 Mon Jan 31, 2005 01:37pm

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Boiler14
Not sure you can have the defense violate if they aren't in the lane spaces to begin with.

If defense runs into the arch or screams from behind the shooter this would be a violation.

thumpferee Mon Jan 31, 2005 01:38pm

Opposing player stomping feet clapping, disconcerting free thrower.

Boiler14 Mon Jan 31, 2005 01:47pm

Creative bunch.

They are behind the half-court line so we won't have 5 shooters.

joseph2493 Mon Jan 31, 2005 01:53pm

They can still disconcert and they can still run from the other side to the arch

bob jenkins Mon Jan 31, 2005 02:00pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Boiler14
Creative bunch.

They are behind the half-court line so we won't have 5 shooters.

Why are they behind the half-court line? There's no requirement for that.


ChuckElias Mon Jan 31, 2005 02:00pm

Quote:

Originally posted by JugglingReferee
You could have 5 shooters if the defense violates on one of the shots. :)
You could have 100 shooters if the defense disconcerted 100 times!! So what?!?! :mad:

Somebody send Been Dare the humor plug-in please :rolleyes:

joseph2493 Mon Jan 31, 2005 02:45pm

Somebody send Been Dare the humor plug-in please :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]


They were out of stock when he signed up.

Mark Dexter Mon Jan 31, 2005 03:52pm

Quote:

Originally posted by JugglingReferee
Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Quote:

Originally posted by Stan
Remember, you may have 3 shooters in this sitch.

8-3

You could have 4 shooters if the first shooter injures himself during his FT :)

You could have 5 shooters if the defense violates on one of the shots. :)

No you can't.

Camron Rust Mon Jan 31, 2005 04:35pm

Quote:

Originally posted by bob jenkins
Quote:

Originally posted by Boiler14
Creative bunch.

They are behind the half-court line so we won't have 5 shooters.

Why are they behind the half-court line? There's no requirement for that.


I was going to say the same thing...but bob beat me to it. They must only be behind the FT line extended and outside the 3-point arc.

However, I wonder where this "behind half-court" notion started? Was this ever the rule?

rainmaker Mon Jan 31, 2005 07:44pm

Thanks for this thread, folks. I needed a good laugh.

dblref Tue Feb 01, 2005 09:14am

Quote:

Originally posted by bob jenkins
Quote:

Originally posted by Boiler14
Creative bunch.

They are behind the half-court line so we won't have 5 shooters.

Why are they behind the half-court line? There's no requirement for that.


Had this discussion last night with visiting coach. He was adamant that everyone had to be behind the half-court line. He finally understood/accepted the explanation after the 2nd explanation.


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