Thanks. That makes alot of sense.

Clark

Newbie...i started a thread to you re: our apparent things in common...original title.."hey newbie"

Amen!

Am I right about why that call is money? Is it because you are watching the ball in your primary and you see the screen off the ball? Is that why you guys call that a money call?

Not so quick, rookie
 

:D Your not a "real ref" until you have had game management remove the home coach! :D

You got it.

Newb --

Your list didn't include

A bad toss by either your partner or you

Overtime

Last second shot

Off-ball foul during a shot

Correctable error

Thanks!!!! Great additions! Keep them coming!

Unfortuntately, I dont fare well on this one:

A bad toss by either your partner or you

Yeah, I had a bad toss to an inbounder. Ick. And I threw a long curving low bounce pass to my partner across the court with spin on it to make it go low and hook back around some girls. Unfortunately, it didnt have the right spin and didnt hook back enough to get to my partner. A cheerleader had to get it. :) If you mean toss to start the game, I have only been R 4 times and I liked my tosses all 4 times. Tonite, my partner threw it waaaaaaay too high for a girls JV game.

Overtime

Nope. I almost had it once. I put the girl on the line for 2 and she made one and missed one. 2 would have tied it.

Last second shot

Several. One game I had two--a 3 at half and a 3 at end of 3rd. Tonite, actually, I had a 3 to end the first half. But I have not had a buzzer beater to win it all.

Off-ball foul during a shot

Yes, if this counts: I called a foul on an offensive teammate of the ballhandler who was driving in for a shot and who did in fact shoot. I called the off ball foul on her teammate who set an illegal screen. But the foul was before the shot.

Correctable error

Yes, about to inbound to wrong team and fixed it. Real cheesy coach was always trying to manipulate us all night, putting the wrong people to the line and after timeouts trying to have his girl stand there to get the ball. I handed to girl for red, then blew whistle and corrected. I have also had a corrected scoring mistake that was fixed as a result of a discussion with a coach when he called a time out. And I appropriately did not charge him for the timeout after we fixed the error.

Thanks for help with my list.

Clark

Okay, good. How would you handle a DEFENSIVE foul (oops sorry, MTD, another bad vocab word!) in the same sitch? With and without a buzzer; before, during or after continuous motions starts; made or missed basket.



Neither of these is a correctable error. They are fix-able mistakes, and you handled them correctly, i think, aothough I'm not sure about not charging the time out. But the only correctable errors are listed in 2-10. Be sure you check it out before your next game, cuz now that I've brought it up, you're guaranteed to face it soon!

Why would we be wanting Clark to have a correctable error?

Clark, know the rule and I hope you NEVER have to use it.:D

I didn't say I wanted it. He's the one making the list of major situations. I think this is one of them.

His list was for calls he's made or needs to make, I prefer to dwell on the positive.:D

I agree I do need to better undestand the correctable error rule and what it applies to.

I dont mind adding it to the list. It is certainly something of major significance that I might have to deal with. Like a personal foul during a dead ball that my buddy had tonite. I want to check that in the rule book. He called the T. He and I are going to read the rule and talk about it.

Its midnight, I will answer the defensive foul question tomorrow, but I think I know most of it. If defensive foul on peson off ball (not shooter) new rule clarification means the airborne shooter rule/continuous motion applies if a foul by the defense even if by a defender not on the shooter.

So....

Presuming foul by defensive player B2 on opponent A2 while A1 is shooting (and that no one is fouling A1, the shooter):

Before continuous motion, basket made: No shot, COMMON foul on B2, ball out of bounds unless bonus.
Before continuous motion, miss: same.

During CM, basket is made: Basket counts, call a COMMON foul on B2 (because not on the shooter), no FTs unless bonus.
During CM, basket is missed: No basket (obviously), call a COMMON foul on B2, no FTs unless bonus.

I dont know what you mean as the difference between "during CM" and "after CM starts". If its all during CM, then see above. If you mean the foul by B2 happens after the continuous motion has been completed, then it would be:

After CM completed, basket is made: The shot goes in and counts, now the ball is dead because of the made field goal. If the foul is before the ball is live again, the foul on B2 could now be a T (if intentional or flagrant during a dead ball) and it is 2 and the ball for A. If not enough for a T, and the ball is dead, then the contact is ignored I think. (is that right?)
After CM completed, shot is missed: Then the foul is probably during rebounding action and it is just a personal on B2 and no FTs unless bonus.

Ball to A in all instances.

I dont get what you mean by with or without buzzer. Sorry :)

That was hard but really useful. I did it without the book so please be kind if I am wrong.

How did I do?

Clark

No wonder you're a lawyer, and I bet you're a good one, too. Looks pretty good to me, but I may be wrong about one or two of the details. "With or without the buzzer" means a last second shot where time expires somewhere in the process of the continuous motion/off-ball foul/made or missed shot.

Oh, I see what you mean about the buzzer. I get it. Duh. I cant believe I didnt see what you meant.

Has to be released by buzzer. Shooting motion started but ball not released before buzzer means shot doesnt count, right?

Clark