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johnyd Sun Jan 23, 2005 11:20am

Officiating an 8th grade boys game with a 14 yr. veteran official. Ball is past to the top of key. Defensive player sprints up and plants both feet without making contact. Offensive player with ball spins sideways to protect the ball and then comes back with an elbow to the gut.
My partner blows whistle and signals for the Technical. The offenswive coach complains, what's that? Partner says, "that is an automatic T."
I'm not disputing the call but where is it found in the rules that the call is an automatic technical?
Rule 9-13 addresses excessive swinging of Elbows without contact as a violation. A little help?

BktBallRef Sun Jan 23, 2005 11:28am

It's not an automatic T. It's not even a T.

It's a personal foul. It's a contact foul during a live ball. By rule, it's a personal foul. Now, if you want to call it intentional or flagrant, that's a possibility.

Your partner needs to buy a rule book. :(

JugglingReferee Sun Jan 23, 2005 11:37am

BBR is correct.

However, if I read the post correctly, the person that committed the foul was holding the ball.

if so, this becomes a player control foul.

BktBallRef Sun Jan 23, 2005 11:54am

Normally true, but not if you call it intentional or flagrant.

JugglingReferee Sun Jan 23, 2005 11:58am

True.

I should have specified the scenario where it's not deemed to be intentonal or flagrant.

tjones1 Sun Jan 23, 2005 12:15pm

This is a PF. Now it could be called intentional or flagrant. Of course if this happens, intentional would be 2 shots and the ball nearest where the foul occured. Flagrant, of course he's history--ejection.


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