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Originally posted by rainmaker

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Originally posted by Smitty

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Originally posted by just another ref

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....it couldn't be a held ball because the defender just had a hand on the ball and the shooter wasn't airborne yet.

Why not? What is this based on?

Based on the held ball rule where both players need to have a grip on the ball such that neither could pull the ball away without a wrestling match. And the rule that's been stated a couple of times already in other threads where getting a hand on the ball to prevent a shot or pass by an airborne player results in a held ball. There's no rule that covers having only a hand on the ball to prevent a pass or shot from a non-airborne player.

If it waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck, it must be a duck.

Not sure which thing is the duck in this case. I don't get it.

If it looks like a held ball, smells like a held ball, sounds like a held ball, it must be a held ball. I'm just saying to you what people on this board have said to me over the years, don't overthink things. In the case you cited, you called a foul. That was probably a good call. In another very similar situation, you might call a held ball, because that's just how it felt. When I trust my training, and call as a reaction, before I think about it, I usually get it right. I think you probably do, too. keep working on training your instincts, but also keep trusting them.

OK now I get it. I actually called a travel, but same difference. Even after all the talk I am confident I got it right. Thanks.

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Originally posted by Smitty

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Originally posted by just another ref

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....it couldn't be a held ball because the defender just had a hand on the ball and the shooter wasn't airborne yet.

Why not? What is this based on?

Based on the held ball rule where both players need to have a grip on the ball such that neither could pull the ball away without a wrestling match. And the rule that's been stated a couple of times already in other threads where getting a hand on the ball to prevent a shot or pass by an airborne player results in a held ball. There's no rule that covers having only a hand on the ball to prevent a pass or shot from a non-airborne player.

So your interpretation is that if the player originally in control of the ball is not airborne you cannot have a held ball unless both players involved have both hands on the ball? I disagree. Picture this: A1 holds the ball out front in both hands. B1 hooks one hand firmly behind the ball and pulls. A1 holds on firmly but B1 is stronger and A1 is dragged forward several steps. You call this a travel? I call it a held ball.