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afrothunda Wed Jan 19, 2005 05:03pm

A player has just received the ball for his first attempted free throw and he doesn't bounce the ball but his pre shot routine consist of a practice shot that goes about 4 feet above him(not towards the basket) then takes two dribbles then shoots. Is this legal or not?

gordon30307 Wed Jan 19, 2005 05:06pm

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Originally posted by afrothunda
A player has just received the ball for his first attempted free throw and he doesn't bounce the ball but his pre shot routine consist of a practice shot that goes about 4 feet above him(not towards the basket) then takes two dribbles then shoots. Is this legal or not?
Yes

Smitty Wed Jan 19, 2005 05:13pm

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Originally posted by gordon30307
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Originally posted by afrothunda
A player has just received the ball for his first attempted free throw and he doesn't bounce the ball but his pre shot routine consist of a practice shot that goes about 4 feet above him(not towards the basket) then takes two dribbles then shoots. Is this legal or not?
Yes

Really? What if the practice shot disconcerts one of the defenders to step into the lane? Then you'll penalize the defender?

Redhouse Wed Jan 19, 2005 05:21pm

Yep, because the defender should not be in the lane until the ball hits the rim anyway.

thumpferee Wed Jan 19, 2005 05:23pm

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Originally posted by afrothunda
A player has just received the ball for his first attempted free throw and he doesn't bounce the ball but his pre shot routine consist of a practice shot that goes about 4 feet above him(not towards the basket) then takes two dribbles then shoots. Is this legal or not?
In HS, players can't go in the lane til the ball first hits the backboard or rim anyway, why would this pre free throw ritual matter?

Smitty Wed Jan 19, 2005 05:26pm

Crap. Good point. :)

gordon30307 Wed Jan 19, 2005 05:27pm

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Originally posted by afrothunda
A player has just received the ball for his first attempted free throw and he doesn't bounce the ball but his pre shot routine consist of a practice shot that goes about 4 feet above him(not towards the basket) then takes two dribbles then shoots. Is this legal or not?
In HS, players can't go in the lane til the ball first hits the backboard or rim anyway, why would this pre free throw ritual matter?

Balls got to hit iron.

thumpferee Wed Jan 19, 2005 05:30pm

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Originally posted by thumpferee
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Originally posted by afrothunda
A player has just received the ball for his first attempted free throw and he doesn't bounce the ball but his pre shot routine consist of a practice shot that goes about 4 feet above him(not towards the basket) then takes two dribbles then shoots. Is this legal or not?
In HS, players can't go in the lane til the ball first hits the backboard or rim anyway, why would this pre free throw ritual matter?

Balls got to hit iron.

Bet $100.00 on that?

Redhouse Wed Jan 19, 2005 05:32pm

rim, net, or backboard

thumpferee Wed Jan 19, 2005 05:41pm

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rim, net, or backboard
9-1,10

ring or backboard. Sorry, no net mentioned. Am I missing something? Please share!


afrothunda Wed Jan 19, 2005 05:46pm

So I am assuming that this would not be considered a fake?? 9-2,4.

Smitty Wed Jan 19, 2005 05:50pm

What does the rulebook say about a fake attempt? Even with the fact that a defender shouldn't be jumping into the lane till the ball hits backboard or rim, I still just think a practice shot is wrong. I don't have my books handy, so I would be tempted to call this a fake attempt and penalize the shooter.

Redhouse Wed Jan 19, 2005 05:54pm

It may touch just the net, but if it did there would be no rebound to get. dead ball available for throw in

afrothunda Wed Jan 19, 2005 05:56pm

NFHS states 9-1,4 The free thrower shall not fake a try, nor shall any player in a marked lane space fake to cause an opponent to violate.

Jurassic Referee Wed Jan 19, 2005 06:06pm

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Originally posted by Smitty
What does the rulebook say about a fake attempt? Even with the fact that a defender shouldn't be jumping into the lane till the ball hits backboard or rim, I still just think a practice shot is wrong. I don't have my books handy, so I would be tempted to call this a fake attempt and penalize the shooter.
Man, that's just too big of a reach for me, Smitty. Call a ball thrown 4 feet straight above the FT shooter a practise shot? What is he practising? How to <b>miss</b> his free throw?

This is a nit that should never be picked. The kid just has his own way of getting himself prepared for his free throw. No harm/no foul--leave it alone and let him do it. We got a heckuva lot more things to worry about in a game than this one.

Smitty Wed Jan 19, 2005 06:10pm

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Originally posted by Smitty
What does the rulebook say about a fake attempt? Even with the fact that a defender shouldn't be jumping into the lane till the ball hits backboard or rim, I still just think a practice shot is wrong. I don't have my books handy, so I would be tempted to call this a fake attempt and penalize the shooter.
Man, that's just too big of a reach for me, Smitty. Call a ball thrown 4 feet straight above the FT shooter a practise shot? What is he practising? How to <b>miss</b> his free throw?

I don't know, man, I was just answering the guy's scenario. I've never seen anyone do this. I'm thinking the guy is using a pretty good free throw shooting motion to do this, so sure, I call it a practice throw.

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This is a nit that should never be picked. The kid just has his own way of getting himself prepared for his free throw. No harm/no foul--leave it alone and let him do it. We got a heckuva lot more things to worry about in a game than this one.

Then what is a fake free throw attempt? Why is it called out in the rule book. If this doesn't classify as a fake attempt, then what does?

thumpferee Wed Jan 19, 2005 06:13pm

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Originally posted by afrothunda
So I am assuming that this would not be considered a fake?? 9-2,4.
9-2,4 is concerning the throw in. I assume you mean 9-1,4

If you as an official deemed it a fake, then you could call it by rule. I personally would see it as a free throw ritual.

I'm sticking with...Players occupying the lane spaces should not enter the lane until the ball hits the ring or backboard.

To redhouse, I know what you meant. But that would be a violation on the FT shooter, not the players on the blocks.

rainmaker Wed Jan 19, 2005 07:20pm

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What does the rulebook say about a fake attempt? Even with the fact that a defender shouldn't be jumping into the lane till the ball hits backboard or rim, I still just think a practice shot is wrong. I don't have my books handy, so I would be tempted to call this a fake attempt and penalize the shooter.
Man, that's just too big of a reach for me, Smitty. Call a ball thrown 4 feet straight above the FT shooter a practise shot? What is he practising? How to <b>miss</b> his free throw?

I don't know, man, I was just answering the guy's scenario. I've never seen anyone do this. I'm thinking the guy is using a pretty good free throw shooting motion to do this, so sure, I call it a practice throw.

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This is a nit that should never be picked. The kid just has his own way of getting himself prepared for his free throw. No harm/no foul--leave it alone and let him do it. We got a heckuva lot more things to worry about in a game than this one.

Then what is a fake free throw attempt? Why is it called out in the rule book. If this doesn't classify as a fake attempt, then what does?

Smitty, I've always thought taht a fake would be the entire motion as if shooting, but without releasing the ball. Seems to me a toss straight up, even with a sort of pseudo-shooting type of motion wouldn't look the same.

Smitty Wed Jan 19, 2005 07:28pm

I'd really have to see it to have a clue anyway. I only answered in the first place because I was bored and it's a slow day. I'm curious, even with a fake free throw as you mentioned, what the harm is? If the earlier argument to my first response holds true, the players along the lane shouldn't be affected by a fake anyway, since they shouldn't be moving into the lane till the ball hits something, so what's the difference? I'm just curious is all - this really isn't that important to me.

rainmaker Wed Jan 19, 2005 08:06pm

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Originally posted by Smitty
I'd really have to see it to have a clue anyway. I only answered in the first place because I was bored and it's a slow day. I'm curious, even with a fake free throw as you mentioned, what the harm is? If the earlier argument to my first response holds true, the players along the lane shouldn't be affected by a fake anyway, since they shouldn't be moving into the lane till the ball hits something, so what's the difference? I'm just curious is all - this really isn't that important to me.
I agree (1) that today is really boring. (2) that it really doesn't matter because the players have to wait for the rim anyway, and (3) that this really isn't very important to you!

Adam Wed Jan 19, 2005 11:10pm

I think the rule is probably a hold-over from when players could enter the lane on the release.


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