Who has the call

Back In The Saddle · #1 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 18, 2005, 02:36am

2-whistle mechanics. A drive to the hole originates in the trail's area and there is a trainwreck in the paint. If there is a double whistle, whose call is it?

TimTaylor · #2 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 18, 2005, 02:58am

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Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
2-whistle mechanics. A drive to the hole originates in the trail's area and there is a trainwreck in the paint. If there is a double whistle, whose call is it?

This is something I pregame with my partner (same time we're discussing pass & crash). First make eye contact with partner - if you're both showing foul (raised fist) I prefer to let the lead make the call & report the foul while the trail switches to the baseline & gets the players ready for either free throws or a throw-in. To me it's smoother, faster, and keeps the game flowing better than having the trail report then doing the switch.

Lotto · #3 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 18, 2005, 06:07am

I agree, both in the need to pregame this situation and the way to handle it---double whistle, hold, eye contact, official towards whom the play is coming takes the call.

A variant of this, the pass/crash, is also crucial to pregame. Different people around here like to handle this differently. Some say L takes the ball and T takes the crash 100% of the time; others prefer that if the pass is back towards T's area, then T takes the ball and L stays with the crash.

FrankHtown · #4 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 18, 2005, 08:41am

A different philosophy is: Who had a look at the play from beginning to end? the trail or the lead? Obviously, if the play started in the trail's primary, and the lead was watching his/her primary, who had the better look at the play? I would suggest the trail did, and the trail should make the call.

BamaRef · #5 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 18, 2005, 08:59am

I agree with FrankHTown. The trail should have seen the play all the way. My philosophy is to referee the defense. Hopefully, the trail has seen the defense the entire time. They should have a feeling for how the play developed and ended. Therefore, IMO, its their call. From some earlier replies, I get the feeling that the call would be a block, "setting up to shoot free throws." Though that may be, it is just as likely the call may be a PC. JMO.

This should always be pregamed.

Camron Rust · #6 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 18, 2005, 11:24am

I think it also depends on where the defender came from. If the defender came in with the drive from the trail's area, then the trail has the best look. If the defender was rotating from the weak side meeting the shooter at the basket, the lead will have the better look...the trail may not have seen where the defender came from.

South GA BBall Ref · #7 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 18, 2005, 11:26am

I would have to agree with the philisophy of yielding to the person from whose area the play originated.

Tim Roden · #8 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 18, 2005, 04:36pm

Like said pregame. If we are calling 4 games today the rule is simple. Old man mechanics calls for, Lead take it if its a shooting foul and we're switching anyway. Trail take it if it is not and no switch. In Texas, we don't switch on fouls that aren't shooting.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. · #9 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 18, 2005, 04:59pm

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Originally posted by Camron Rust
I think it also depends on where the defender came from. If the defender came in with the drive from the trail's area, then the trail has the best look. If the defender was rotating from the weak side meeting the shooter at the basket, the lead will have the better look...the trail may not have seen where the defender came from.

Camron:

I just hope the train wreck wasn't a BLARGE.

MTD, Sr.

Jurassic Referee · #10 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 18, 2005, 06:15pm

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Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
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I just hope the train wreck wasn't a BLARGE.

[/B][/QUOTE]What's a blarge?

Is their anything in the rule book about them?

Just wondering. I've heard that they don't even exist in the wilds of Ohio.

ChiliBob · #11 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 18, 2005, 08:00pm

In a situation such as this, two whistles and possibly two opinions, although it should be discussed during pre-game, it never hurts to take the time to stop and discuss the play with your partner if there is any doubt. There may be multiple fouls that are warranted, a travel before contact, a push in the back before a travel. In the heat of the contest, in a perfect world, we should see that one has a fist, one has an open hand or both have fists or both have open hands. That is not always the case. Your partner is the only one that you really ever want to talk to during the game if your talk much at all (outside of mechanics administration). Take the extra 20 seconds and get it right.

gordon30307 · #12 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 18, 2005, 10:17pm

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Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
2-whistle mechanics. A drive to the hole originates in the trail's area and there is a trainwreck in the paint. If there is a double whistle, whose call is it?

Generally speaking I prefer to give it to whoever the play is coming to. However I tell my partner If for example I have block and you have charge just come in strong and sell it and you have it. Or vice versa. When the trainwreck happens it is better to have two as oposed to no whistles. LOL