This may be a little long, but I think it's worth sharing.

My father called me today to share a situation he had last night during a GHS Game. He has been calling at the HS and College level for 32 years and said it was a first he ever heard of this happening.

FHS vs MHS

To set it all up, two GHS are 1 and 2 in their division. Well last week, FHS @ MHS. Rumor has it that FHS got homered, they lost by 2 or 3. Before the game the coach of FHS goes and talks to by Pop and his P before the other team shows up for the game (they were late due to weather conditions) and informs them he heard through the grapevine that the coach for MHS is expected to get homered because of the game last week. My Pop explains that they are not going to discuss that, but both coaches can expect to get the game called fairly.

So, MHS shows up late, so only the Varsity will play. During the first half, a foul is called on MHS. The coach stands up and says "How can you call that, how do you guys sleep at night?" My Pop says something to the extent, "We'll sleep just fine coach", Bang, T! No further incidents until the 4th Qtr. FHS is winning by 29 with 4 minutes left. MHS goes down and scores, coach from MHS calls time out.

My Pop is admimistering the throwin on the baseline near this coaches bench. There is the thrower in, a teammate, and an opponent. The ball is inbounded, except the defender doesn't guard the ball, she starts guarding my Dad. I know, LOL. Anyway, my Pop tells her he doesn't think he looks like a girl, she needs to go guard someone else! He didn't know what to think at the time. Girls from the team bench were laughing as well as fans from this team.

So, with 30 seconds left, MHS is losing by 25. The coach from MHS calls a timeout. After the timeout, the ball is put in play by FHS, and the coach from MHS yells out, "guard him again"! This girl starts guarding my Pop again!

We have our thoughts on this and would like yours.

I can tell you what happened afterward if interrested.

I should probably add, team foul count total was 20-22.




[Edited by thumpferee on Jan 18th, 2005 at 02:30 PM]

Very interested... please continue! :)
I believe the coach would get to go to the showers 30 seconds earlier. Whack him!

[Edited by tjones1 on Jan 18th, 2005 at 02:30 PM]

If it wasn't so dang funny, it should likely be the coach's second T.
:D
I like it. Start playing a little air ball and see if she will try to block your shot. Say you made the shot and check the ball to her at the top of the key. Now you guard her.

I think I'd go ahead and issue the 2nd T here, even with 30 seconds left. Can't let this go unpunished, even as funny as it is.

I told my dad afterward, who is a better than average basketball player, even at 57, "what was this coach thinking? you are by far the best player out there, he should have double teamed you" LMAO

I also asked, "what if there was contact, would you have had a block or a charge call?"LOL He said, "Definitely a BLOCK!"LMAO

I always thought the story was an urban legend among coaches. You know:

"Time-out! OK, you know who's hurting us the most. Now go out there and defend the one person on the floor who's hurting us the most!!! Go!!!"

And the player proceeds to guard the official... :D

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Wht did your dad do?

Coach went to the showers!

I'm surprised nobody said T the girl too, which he didn't.
He said she actually contacted him with her hand the first time. I told him he shoulda called a foul on her for hand checking.lol

To finish on the story, the AD from this school called my dad this morning after the report was filed to get his story first hand. Reason being, the girl the coach had guard him was his sister. Yeh the AD's sister! She had to go home and tell her brother what this coach told her to do. The AD said that the school was considering suspending him for 3 games, and possibly the rest of the season. The Principal was supposed to call him later today. I'm gonna call him now and see what the outcome is.

Good, I love it when I hear about an AD standing up for sportsmanship.

I'd have considered a T on the girl the second time, but it was clear to everyone who instigated it. Don't ring up the kid because her coach is a clown. Good job by your Dad.

And they wonder why we end up with incidents like fans coming out of the stands and assaulting officials. All something like this does is incite behaviour like that. Mighta sounded funny, but it coulda had very serious repercussions with some of the wacko fans around.

Great job by your dad. Coach should be fired. Btw, any contact on me in a situation like that, even incidental, and I'm thinking flagrant on the player. Let the coach's AD think about that one. Might put a stop to crap like that a little quicker. Too bad for the player, but it just might point out to that's school's administation how ridiculous it was that a coach tried something like that.

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Jan 18th, 2005 at 05:35 PM]

Glad to hear an AD has some gumption.

Flagrant T for the coach; flagrant T for the player - and they're both leaving the gym before we continue the game.

That coach is living proof that idiots are everywhere? Another main concern to me is whether or not this coach is a teacher in the school district. What kind of role model would this be?

I don't know about the player, Mark -- if she'd have thought this up on her own, maybe. And I generally don't let people off the hook for "just following orders", but in this case, I think I would let her off with a stern warning. She probably ought to know better, but if this is the kind of adults she has in her life, where's she going to learn?

Inadvertant or not, she still made physical contact with an official while doing something whose only purpose was to deliberately embarass an official. T'hell with her. Get everything on paper, including all ejections, and get it to the league governing body, AD, state, every paper that you can think of, etc. The idea imo is to try and ensure that this doesn't happen again to another official in this area.

Good idea JR, we're already on it. The only thing is as you know officials aren't supposed to comment on games to reporters, papers etc. My Dad is trying to get someone to report it, possibly the FHS AD.

I spoke to my dad last night and he said the reason he didn't T the girl up is because she turned red and seemed more embarrassed than he was. He didn't feel punishing her because of an idiot coach was the right thing to do at the time.

'Following orders' or not, this behavior is completely inexcusable. Without any physical contact, I'd consider just giving a technical. If the player made any contact with me whatsoever, she's gone.

Good idea JR, we're already on it. The only thing is as you know officials aren't supposed to comment on games to reporters, papers etc. My Dad is trying to get someone to report it, possibly the FHS AD.

[/B][/QUOTE]Thumpy, you dad did a great job of handling this. It means that other officials in the future might not have to put up with crap like this, especially our younger, inexperienced officials. Please pass along my personal thanks to him if you don't mind.

Thumpy, you dad did a great job of handling this. It means that other officials in the future might not have to put up with crap like this, especially our younger, inexperienced officials. Please pass along my personal thanks to him if you don't mind. [/B][/QUOTE]

I certainly will JR! I talk about this forum and the people on here all the time and what a great tool it is, I'm sure he will greatly appreciate your support!

[Edited by thumpferee on Jan 19th, 2005 at 09:47 AM]

I hope he sends a letter to the state association about this guy. My state would not look very favorably on it.

I talk about this forum and the people on here all the time and what a great tool it is, I'm sure he will greatly appreciate your support!

[/B][/QUOTE]Nah, it's the other way around on this one. We appreciate <b>his</b> support.

Attaboy, thumperdad!

We had one of these happen in my state a couple of years ago. The state office guy brought video of it to the rules interp meeting at the beginning of the next year. Told us to eject the coach if it happens.

Wack and Toss the coach. Tell the player to guard an opponent and if she doesn't, wack her.

My dad (who calls himself "The Interpreter") says: "Thank You All for your support. This is definitely a situation which needs to be documented, addressed and dealt with to prevent further incidents from happening in the future to my fellow officials across the country. I am currently in the process of informing local news sources of the incident as well as the NFHS Rules Committee to possibly add this situation and Penalty to future Rules Book publications."