Preventative Officiating Techniques

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by cmathews

Coach I am reaching my limit here..... [/B]

Not even then.

Arm extended with palm facing the coach with, "I have heard enough, coach."

[cmathews]

Ok that was a good one...I will keep thinking here LOL

[davidw]

[The word REACHING should NEVER be used by an official, EVER. [/B]

I completely agree with this.

[cmathews]

I was reaching for my whistle when the foul occured?? to explain a late whistle??

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by cmathews
I was reaching for my whistle when the foul occured?? to explain a late whistle??

Nope,

"It was late, but it was right."

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by blindzebra

Do you tell a player to get out of the lane on 3 seconds?

Why should other timing violations be different?

Since this is about preventive officiating, I'll do a pre-emptive strike on your answer.

The other team's defensive effort could be what is causing a near 3 second violation.

I do sometimes tell a player to get out of the lane. Sometimes I don't. I don't if it is good defense that lead to it. Of course, its usually not due to good defense...the player is certainly free to move out in nearly every case.

What are we preventing by telling them? Are we taking away a well-earned turnover?

I like to reward good defense. They play a crushing press cleanly for 10 seconds...they're getting the ball. Why should I help the offense avoide the turnover?

I completely agree with preventative officiating when it is not a direct part of the play where it can erase a good effort one team or the other.

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by Camron Rust

I do sometimes tell a player to get out of the lane. Sometimes I don't. I don't if it is good defense that lead to it. Of course, its usually not due to good defense...the player is certainly free to move out in nearly every case.

What are we preventing by telling them? Are we taking away a well-earned turnover?

I like to reward good defense. They play a crushing press cleanly for 10 seconds...they're getting the ball. Why should I help the offense avoide the turnover?

I completely agree with preventative officiating when it is not a direct part of the play where it can erase a good effort one team or the other.

Where did I say what circumstances I say anything?

You have never had a coach talking to their player while the ball was coming up the court without defensive pressure?

Have you ever had a defender within 6 feet, but was not actively guarding?

Have you ever had a kid take the ball, wait a couple of seconds and then hit the ball yelling, "Break," on a throw in?

If we are talking the defense out of contact that is bordering on a foul, are we not penalizing the offense?

It is all about judgment, we pick and choose, and prevent what we can.

[TimTaylor]

Originally posted by blindzebra

No the warning is for BREAKING the plane, not reaching across the plane.

When a player hears straight up, their reaction is normally to put their hands up and stop leaning into the plane.

The word REACHING should NEVER be used by an official, EVER. [/B]

You might want to read casebook 7.6.3.C & 9.2.11.B - the specific terminology used by NFHS is "reaches through". The warning for violation of 7.6.3.C is for delay - boundary line violation, but the action that precipitates the warning is reaching through the boundary line.

Also see items 3 & 4 of the penalty section at the end of 9-2 in the rule book - both use the specific terminology "reaches through the throw-in boundary".

Making eye contact with a defender bellying up to the sideline and saying "don't reach" before handing the ball to the thrower is clear and unambiguous - and it works. You can use what you want, but since that is the specific terminology used by NFHS, it will continue to be my terminology of choice until they decide to change it.

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by TimTaylor

You might want to read casebook 7.6.3.C & 9.2.11.B - the specific terminology used by NFHS is "reaches through". The warning for violation of 7.6.3.C is for delay - boundary line violation, but the action that precipitates the warning is reaching through the boundary line.

Also see items 3 & 4 of the penalty section at the end of 9-2 in the rule book - both use the specific terminology "reaches through the throw-in boundary".

Making eye contact with a defender bellying up to the sideline and saying "don't reach" before handing the ball to the thrower is clear and unambiguous - and it works. You can use what you want, but since that is the specific terminology used by NFHS, it will continue to be my terminology of choice until they decide to change it. [/B]

Any official that uses the term "REACHING" on a basketball court keeps a myth alive.

Both rules, you cite do not use the term reaching, they say the defender may not have ANY part of their body through the boundary plane, or a warning occurs.

The penalty areas you hold up, are dealing with contact with the thrower or the ball which goes beyond a warning it is a technical foul or intentional foul, so you are connecting "reaching" with a foul.

[TimTaylor]

Wrong BZ, read them again. Both 2004-2005 casebook situations that I cited specifically use the phrase "B1 reaches through the boundary line plane" - that's a direct quote.

Whether they simply violate the plane, or commit a technical or intentional foul by touching the ball or thrower respectively is irrelevant with regard to this discussion - all occur during a throw-in. The precise action that is clearly stated by NFHS as precipitating the warning/penalty is reaching through the boundary line plane.

I would never use the terms "don't reach" while the ball is in play on the court, but in the specific context of the throw-in, I believe it is perfectly acceptable terminology for the reasons I have previously cited. As I said earlier, it's clear, concise, and it works - and further I have never had a problem or misunderstanding using this technique, nor a negative comment from any partner or evaluator.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by blindzebra

The word REACHING should NEVER be used by an official, EVER.

Don't be reaching for that check, partner.

Let me push it over to you.

[DownTownTonyBrown]

Which kind of hammer do you require when BREAKING the plane?

[ChuckElias]

In the post, I'll warn with "Straight up!", or "Don't hold!"

During a throw-in:

• If I'm administering, I always (even on a sideline throw-in) say "Spot!" if it's from a designated spot.
• If the defender is standing right up to the OOB line, I say "Don't reach across."
• If I'm not administering, I will sometimes say "Don't push!" or "Straight up!" if there are 9 guys all jockeying for position.

I often say "No hands!" when a defender is "measuring up" the dribbler.

To the coach, "I need you to find your box, please."

[DownTownTonyBrown]

Off-ball screens are generally sloppy.

Lately I've taken to telling players to "make a good screen." This is for the minor infractions that really don't affect the defense because the defense is already six steps behind. Any last second knocking of defenders I call immediately.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by blindzebra


5 seconds on throw in, "Get it in."

10 second back court, "Get it across."

5 second closely guarded, "Do something."

"Hands," once and then handcheck or hold.

Knee lift, "Get your knee out," once and then foul.

I would never warn on these counts. I'm not such a big fan of warning on the 3 seconds either. If it (3 seconds) needs to be called then call it, if it's borderline ignore it.

Knee to the @ss in the post and handcheck should be a whistle without a warning IMO.

I've gone to players, that were getting frustrated or looking for contact every trip down the floor, and told them to knock it off and play ball.

Yeah, having a quick word with a player often gets them on the same page as you.