Partner wearing "Bling"

[ref18]

I would think that somewhere in the insurance policy it would refer to qualified or certified officials.

I know that my insurance doesn't cover me if I work with a "non-patched" official.

Although, I've seen referees who haven't yet put their patch on their shirt, does that mean I'm not covered if I work with them???

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by ref18
I would think that somewhere in the insurance policy it would refer to qualified or certified officials.

I know that my insurance doesn't cover me if I work with a "non-patched" official.

In what insurance policy? The NF insurance policy? The NASO insurance policy? The ACME insurance policy? I have never seen an insurance policy that I have that is affected by who I work with or not.

Originally posted by ref18
Although, I've seen referees who haven't yet put their patch on their shirt, does that mean I'm not covered if I work with them???

It sounds like we are all jumping to some big conclusions here. Who said this individual was not licensed? All we know is that this individual showed up not wearing the proper uniform. It does not mean they are not licensed to work games. Maybe no one sat this guy down and showed him the ropes.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally posted by JRutledge

It sounds like we are all jumping to some big conclusions here. Who said this individual was not licensed? All we know is that this individual showed up not wearing the proper uniform. It does not mean they are not licensed to work games. Maybe no one sat this guy down and showed him the ropes.

Peace

Jeff,
It was stated in the orginal post that the kid is unlicensed in his state. One needn't jump to conclusions if one has read the original post.
I know in Iowa, at the middle school level, only one of the officials has to be licensed by the state. At the high school level, all officials need to be licensed.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by Snaqwells


Jeff,
It was stated in the orginal post that the kid is unlicensed in his state. One needn't jump to conclusions if one has read the original post.
I know in Iowa, at the middle school level, only one of the officials has to be licensed by the state. At the high school level, all officials need to be licensed.

The post does not say for sure the person was licensed or not. He makes a comment about working in the past with licensed officials, but no where does it say for sure this person was not licensed. It is really not that hard to come to that conclusion by the dress of this official, but it is not clear. I did not read him say the AD said this official was not licensed with anyone.

Peace

[Adam]

He said he was "unpatched," which in the cotext of the post indicates he is unlicensed. he didn't say how he knew, but he did say it. We're not making assumptions here, other than in the accuracy of his post (which is always the case when responding to various situations posted here.)

[imaref]

I'm not too concerned about personal liability insurance, per se'....just that I believe school districts could risk legal liability issues should there be injuries. I'm not an attorney, but with everyone looking to file legal action whenever something happens....I think the AD or assignor...or school district should get a legal opinion about the district's responsibility on risk management and personal injury liabilities.

Heck, if I get injured, my state association has insurance coverage on me which is part of the state registration fee. Your personal health insurance should cover what's left over.

My point earlier in this thread was that the AD didn't seem to care much about who got hired, what type of risk the district could be put in....let alone any other liability issues that could be connected...etc., etc.

Too many loose ends in this operation. Think I'd look to work games in a more organized situation! JMHO...

wl

[Love2ref4Ever]

I am not about to begin snitching on my partner to any Athletic Directors! If an official practices wearing jewelry to a game it is just a matter of time before he/she get's nailed!

[ref18]

Originally posted by JRutledge

In what insurance policy? The NF insurance policy? The NASO insurance policy? The ACME insurance policy? I have never seen an insurance policy that I have that is affected by who I work with or not.


Peace

I believe this is covered in my provincial association's insurance policy. We don't use the NF or the NASO or the ACME insurance policy, we have our own.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by ref18


I believe this is covered in my provincial association's insurance policy. We don't use the NF or the NASO or the ACME insurance policy, we have our own.

How would you be liable if you are working with a partner that is unlicensed? How would you know if you are working with an unlicensed official for sure? Are you supposed to give each other your social security before stepping onto the court?

Peace

[ref18]

The way things work up here, every game is assigned by an assignor. In the locations I work, we have 2. One for high school games, one for everything else. These assignors only assign licensed officials. I know that if I'm working a game assigned by an assignor, that I'm going to have a licensed official as a partner.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by ref18
The way things work up here, every game is assigned by an assignor. In the locations I work, we have 2. One for high school games, one for everything else. These assignors only assign licensed officials. I know that if I'm working a game assigned by an assignor, that I'm going to have a licensed official as a partner.

That does not explain how you would be held liable for something you did not assign?

Peace

[ref18]

I'm not exactly getting what you're trying to say.

But to explain, I believe it is written into the policy that we have to work with a certified official in order for coverage to apply. If we don't work with a certified official than I don't think we're covered in the case of an accident.

Now I don't have the policy in front of me, but I believe that's what it states.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by ref18
I'm not exactly getting what you're trying to say.

But to explain, I believe it is written into the policy that we have to work with a certified official in order for coverage to apply. If we don't work with a certified official than I don't think we're covered in the case of an accident.

Now I don't have the policy in front of me, but I believe that's what it states.

I thought you said that you (the partner) would be held liable if you work with an official that is not licensed if something happened. My question is why would you be penalized or not covered if you were working with an individual that you did not know was licensed or not? You are not the assignor, so why would you get in more trouble when you do not decide who you are working with? I realize you say the assignor would not do that, but I am sure it is not impossible for someone to slip through the cracks. Not sure how you would know for sure as a fellow official unless the person showed you all their information (assuming that it is accurate) that they had a license. I just do not know how that is your responsibility considering you do not assign the game.

Peace

[ref18]

As far as I know, I haven't worked with a partner who wasn't certified, and I don't ineted to do any games with one any time soon.

[brandan89]

I feel bad Everyone talking about not working with un certified officials). I am not "certified", and cannot get "certified" untill I am 18, however, I can still call Jr.High games.