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IowaMike Fri Jan 14, 2005 09:43am

Worked a girls JV/Varsity double header last night in Illinois. Final score of the JV game was 66-0, home team won. I have never worked a game where a team did not score, not even a 5th or 6th grade game. Only called 3 fouls in the first half as it was also the least physical game I have ever seen. The losing team would actually get out of the way when the opponents would drive to the basket. At least we had the running clock in the 4th quarter. The varsity game didn't start out much better but at least the visitors scored a few minutes into the game. They were down by 29 with a minute to go in the 3rd quarter, but ended up cutting it to 12 by the end of the game against the home teams reserves. Anybody else ever have a shutout in a high school game?

ChrisSportsFan Fri Jan 14, 2005 09:47am

that's one of those games where at half time you're reminding game mgmt to get the V teams ready because there's no need for a 45 minute wait to start the second game. "Folks, it's goin-da be-an early night tonight".

Adam Fri Jan 14, 2005 09:47am

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Originally posted by IowaMike
Worked a girls JV/Varsity double header last night in Illinois. Final score of the JV game was 66-0, home team won. I have never worked a game where a team did not score, not even a 5th or 6th grade game. Only called 3 fouls in the first half as it was also the least physical game I have ever seen. The losing team would actually get out of the way when the opponents would drive to the basket. At least we had the running clock in the 4th quarter. The varsity game didn't start out much better but at least the visitors scored a few minutes into the game. They were down by 29 with a minute to go in the 3rd quarter, but ended up cutting it to 12 by the end of the game against the home teams reserves. Anybody else ever have a shutout in a high school game?
I've had some scoreless quarters, but never a full game. Ouch.

David M Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:04am

I have worked lower level games where I thought a shutout was possible. I know a lot of you will think this is wrong but I have asked the losing coach if he had anyone that can shoot foul shots. I would then look for a foul to call so that that player could get to the line. I just think it is embarassing to the kids if they get shutout.

Redhouse Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:34am

That may be considered wrong to some on this board, but I think for the most part officials are compassionate people and would do the same thing. I have definately found fouls to help a team score and even called a T on the winning coach to put someone on the line to score.

gordon30307 Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:03am

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Originally posted by IowaMike
Worked a girls JV/Varsity double header last night in Illinois. Final score of the JV game was 66-0, home team won. I have never worked a game where a team did not score, not even a 5th or 6th grade game. Only called 3 fouls in the first half as it was also the least physical game I have ever seen. The losing team would actually get out of the way when the opponents would drive to the basket. At least we had the running clock in the 4th quarter. The varsity game didn't start out much better but at least the visitors scored a few minutes into the game. They were down by 29 with a minute to go in the 3rd quarter, but ended up cutting it to 12 by the end of the game against the home teams reserves. Anybody else ever have a shutout in a high school game?
Some might object but in the case that you outlined I don't think that there's any harm in trying to get the losing team to the foul line at least to get some points on the board. Slightest touch on the shooter I will send them to the line. I don't think either Coach would mind.

ChrisSportsFan Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:10am

that will probably get you a "hey thanks, good job", from both coaches.

IowaMike Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:31am

Believe me, if there had been anything close to a foul on the home team we would have called it. The losing team basically just kept throwing up perimeter shots with no pressure from the opponents and missing badly. They virtually never drove to the hoop or tried to pass it inside. On the rare occasions they did try to get a pass to the post, they would throw it out of bounds. They did get to the line a few times but missed every shot.

rainmaker Fri Jan 14, 2005 12:18pm

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Originally posted by Redhouse
... even called a T on the winning coach to put someone on the line to score.
I hope he did something that might have remotely deserved it!

There was a game around here a couple of years ago that was 94-0. If I remember correctly, the losing team didn't even have 5 players, except to start the game.

I had a game once where the ending score was something like 66-5. The winning team was still pressing in the fourth quarter. They also developed a bad case of the travels.

lrpalmer3 Fri Jan 14, 2005 02:42pm

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Originally posted by Redhouse
That may be considered wrong to some on this board, but I think for the most part officials are compassionate people and would do the same thing. I have definately found fouls to help a team score and even called a T on the winning coach to put someone on the line to score.
So I guess it's wrong of me to silently cheer for the shut-out once we get to the second half?

I've got 2 goals in officiating, work the Final 4 and work a shutout.

gordon30307 Fri Jan 14, 2005 02:45pm

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Originally posted by lrpalmer3
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Originally posted by Redhouse
That may be considered wrong to some on this board, but I think for the most part officials are compassionate people and would do the same thing. I have definately found fouls to help a team score and even called a T on the winning coach to put someone on the line to score.
So I guess it's wrong of me to silently cheer for the shut-out once we get to the second half?

I've got 2 goals in officiating, work the Final 4 and work a shutout.

I hope this is tongue in cheek.

gordon30307 Fri Jan 14, 2005 02:48pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by Redhouse
... even called a T on the winning coach to put someone on the line to score.
I hope he did something that might have remotely deserved it!

There was a game around here a couple of years ago that was 94-0. If I remember correctly, the losing team didn't even have 5 players, except to start the game.

I had a game once where the ending score was something like 66-5. The winning team was still pressing in the fourth quarter. They also developed a bad case of the travels.

When games get out of hand and the winning team is still pressing it's funny but suddenly more fouls are called on the winning team when they press and they suddenly disappear when they stop. Don't know why that is.

lrpalmer3 Fri Jan 14, 2005 02:48pm

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Originally posted by gordon30307
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Originally posted by lrpalmer3
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Originally posted by Redhouse
That may be considered wrong to some on this board, but I think for the most part officials are compassionate people and would do the same thing. I have definately found fouls to help a team score and even called a T on the winning coach to put someone on the line to score.
So I guess it's wrong of me to silently cheer for the shut-out once we get to the second half?

I've got 2 goals in officiating, work the Final 4 and work a shutout.

I hope this is tongue in cheek.

You saying I've got no shot at the Final 4? Thanks!!!!

"Everything I say is tongue and cheek."

-Luther Palmer

rainmaker Fri Jan 14, 2005 02:52pm

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Originally posted by gordon30307
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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by Redhouse
... even called a T on the winning coach to put someone on the line to score.
I hope he did something that might have remotely deserved it!

There was a game around here a couple of years ago that was 94-0. If I remember correctly, the losing team didn't even have 5 players, except to start the game.

I had a game once where the ending score was something like 66-5. The winning team was still pressing in the fourth quarter. They also developed a bad case of the travels.

When games get out of hand and the winning team is still pressing it's funny but suddenly more fouls are called on the winning team when they press and they suddenly disappear when they stop. Don't know why that is.

It's easy to explain -- even coaches get it although they don't always like it. It's simple advantage/disadvantage. "Coach, when your team is so much better than the other team, any contact at all gives you a tremendous advantage. So if it's illegal contact, I've got to call it. On the other hand, when the other team contacts you, they get no advantage at all. It's gotta be a real hack or slam before I call it." That's the way it is in a mis-match.

Goose Fri Jan 14, 2005 03:54pm

Not a shutout, but......
 
There is a note up on I believe Fox Sports about a high school game in Vermont that ended up with a score of 5-2.

Interesting read. No points by either team in the second half. Of course, no shot clock either, but I bet the ref's on that game will have a few stories to tell.

My personal best is a high school varsity game that went 36-0 before the visiting team scored. We went more than 8 minutes into the first half without the visitors scoring. After that, the score remained 30 points apart.

goose


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