restraining line question

[shont]

I will see if I can explain this clearly... (the court has a restraining line). After a made basket. A1 is inbounding the ball and standing out of bounds. A2 is standing between oob and restraining line. Can A1 pass the ball to A2 and A2 begin his dribble up the court? Rule book says that restraining line is the boundary line. I think that this would be the same as carrying the ball in bounds and would be a violation since A2 received pass while he was oob.

thanks,

shont

[joseph2493]

Originally posted by shont
I will see if I can explain this clearly... (the court has a restraining line). After a made basket. A1 is inbounding the ball and standing out of bounds. A2 is standing between oob and restraining line. Can A1 pass the ball to A2 and A2 begin his dribble up the court? Rule book says that restraining line is the boundary line. I think that this would be the same as carrying the ball in bounds and would be a violation since A2 received pass while he was oob.

thanks,

shont

Are you talking about a restraining line for the inbounds play? Where b/c of the short distance between the wall and out of bounds that have a dotted line so we can get the thrower the proper space?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by shont
I will see if I can explain this clearly... (the court has a restraining line). After a made basket. A1 is inbounding the ball and standing out of bounds. A2 is standing between oob and restraining line. Can A1 pass the ball to A2 and A2 begin his dribble up the court? Rule book says that restraining line is the boundary line. I think that this would be the same as carrying the ball in bounds and would be a violation since A2 received pass while he was oob.

The restraining line becomes a boundary line on a throw-in, and it remains a boundary line until the ball crosses the restraing/boundary line. In this case after a made basket, it's OK for A1 to pass to A2 OOB inside the restraining line, but it's a violation for A2 to then carry the ball in-bounds over the boundary/restraining line.

Rules reference is NFHS rule 1-2-2.

[tjones1]

No and yes. Made basket it's ok to pass it to another player inside the restraining line, however it's not ok for that player to start dribbling up the court--that's a violation.

The sad thing is most of the time whenever I'm calling a game that has a restraining line the violation is usually against the home team.

[shont]

thanks Jurrasic and tjones for the answer. That is the answer I thought it would be.

shont

[Robmoz]

Restraining line? I'll assume that this is some sort of "plane indicator" due to a really tight OOB space limitation.

Annnnnnnnyyywhoooo...I can think of a few responses to consider so here they are:

• If this is one of those lazy inbounds after a made basket and everyone else is already running back up court I would be more inclined to not have called a violation and tell A1/A2 to be sure they know where the line is next time...keep the game moving.
• If this is due to some sort of confusion due to the way the lines are painted early in the game, I would stop them, show them the line boundaries and make them inbound the ball properly.
• If Team B is pressing I would whistle the violation.

[Mark Dexter]

It's illegal.

Depending on the age level, however, you can have some discretion - especially with the visiting team.

[DownTownTonyBrown]

Shont,

Is this a permanently marked restraining line? And on the endline, too?

On some of our smaller courts, I'm forever reminding the defense to allow 3 feet (but nothing is permanently marked on the floor). And all of our endlines have at lest three feet, so it is always a spot throw-in on the sidelines where I have to say "Give 'em this much space, and don't reach across."

Being a spot throw-in I haven't really had to worry about extending the line for any distance parallel to the OOB line. I obviously would not allow the offense to step between the thrower and the defender (despite that area being in-bounds) but I have never worried about the pass receiver being in that inter-space and diagonally 10 feet feet away from the spot.

Perhaps I should be? What say the veterans?

Logically, I could establish a restraining line (similar to a permanently marked line), allow the thrower to step up to the restraining line, if he desired, and keep all defenders as well as potential receivers behind the line... but that is difficult to do without a permanently marked line.

What do some of you other officials do?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by DownTownTonyBrown

On some of our smaller courts, I'm forever reminding the defense to allow 3 feet (but nothing is permanently marked on the floor). And all of our endlines have at lest three feet, so it is always a spot throw-in on the sidelines where I have to say "Give 'em this much space, and don't reach across."

Being a spot throw-in I haven't really had to worry about extending the line for any distance parallel to the OOB line. I obviously would not allow the offense to step between the thrower and the defender (despite that area being in-bounds) but I have never worried about the pass receiver being in that inter-space and diagonally 10 feet feet away from the spot.

Perhaps I should be? What say the veterans?

Logically, I could establish a restraining line (similar to a permanently marked line), allow the thrower to step up to the restraining line, if he desired, and keep all defenders as well as potential receivers behind the line... but that is difficult to do without a permanently marked line.

What do some of you other officials do?

Tony, for good direction on how the FED wants us to handle these types of throw-ins with limited space but no actual dotted restraining line on the floor, see case book play 7.6.3SitD.

[golfdesigner]

back in the last century when I was playing grade school ball our gym was soooo small....how small was it....

we had two ten second lines. One at each of the free throw lines extended, iow the division line for the east basket was at the free throw line of the west basket. we also had the restraining line marked all the way around as well. we were always taught, back then, that the restraining line became the OOB line until ball was in-bounded. Nobody could cross the restraining line to receive a pass or to play defense. [this did not include crossing after made basket because we regularly used the pass to an OOB teammate and fly for the long bomb as a play].

when I run across the need to "verbalize" the restraining line now, I bring it up in the coaches/captains meeting to emphasize that if we use a "restraining line" nobody can cross it, and that includes the in-bounding team. That way at least the coaches "were told" up front even though they may not have "heard" it.

[shont]

I am really surprised at how unfamiliar a lot of people are with what a restraining line is.lol A lot of courts in my area have this. A solid line 3 feet from the oob line going all the way around the court. Usually this line is there because the bleachers are so close to the court. Literally when you are sitting on the bleachers your feet are on the playing court. There are'nt many gyms like this anywhere else??

shont

[DownTownTonyBrown]

7.6.3 D
Clarify situation (b) for me, please.

Does that say the thrower can step up to the restraining line (inside the OOB line) but if he does, the defender may also enter "this area" to play defense?

Sounds just like a dribbler had stopped, trapped in his frontcourt and the defender is on him tight. Offense has 5 seconds to get rid of the rock.

[DownTownTonyBrown]

Originally posted by shont
A solid line 3 feet from the oob line going all the way around the court. ... There are'nt many gyms like this anywhere else??

We've got a couple like that in my area (small and feet on the floor) but without the permanent restraining line.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by DownTownTonyBrown
7.6.3 D
Clarify situation (b) for me, please.

Does that say the thrower can step up to the restraining line (inside the OOB line) but if he does, the defender may also enter "this area" to play defense?

Sounds just like a dribbler had stopped, trapped in his frontcourt and the defender is on him tight. Offense has 5 seconds to get rid of the rock.

They're not using a restraining line on these plays. Just a regular OOB line with very little room behind it. The thrower can step up, and even onto, the OOB line to make the throw-in, just like a normal one--but the defender has to give the thrower one step in-bounds leeway to make the throw-in. In (b), they're talking about the thrower trying a throw-in to just inside the boundary line- i.e. on the in-bounds side of the boundary line but still within a step of it. The FED says that the defender can legally intercept that throw-in as long as the throw-in has left the thrower's hands before the defender moved into that one-step-from-the-line area. Make sense? Not the best language, is it?