goaltending question

[Jeff Sarratt]

Hi,

In college basketball, does the backboard have anything to do with a goaltending call?

[blindzebra]

No.

Downward flight, above the rim level, with a chance to go in.

[tjksail]

Imagine a cylinder that projects upward of the rim. Thi cylinder would not touch the backboard, so the backboard is not a part of the cylinder. If the ball is knocked out of the cylinder, while in downward flight, as well as having a chance to go in, it is goaltending. No backboard.

[Ref Daddy]

Defender touching the ball after ball hitting the BBoard (bank shot) is almost always a goaltending

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by tjksail
Imagine a cylinder that projects upward of the rim. Thi cylinder would not touch the backboard, so the backboard is not a part of the cylinder. If the ball is knocked out of the cylinder, while in downward flight, as well as having a chance to go in, it is goaltending. No backboard.

Um, don't think so. You got that completely wrong. You're describing "basket interference", not "goaltending". Different violations completely.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Ref Daddy

Defender touching the ball after ball hitting the BBoard (bank shot) is almost always a goaltending

I think that a more accurate statement might be that touching the ball after it hits the backboard may be goaltending. The fact that it's hit the backboard has got absolutely nothing to do with a goaltending call, unless it happened in an NBA game. The call depends on whether the ball was touched on the way up or the way down, and also whether it had a chance to go in.

[Jeff Sarratt]

thanks for the reply. I had this discussion last night. The back board should not have anything to do with the goaltending.

[tjksail]

You're describing "basket interference", not "goaltending". Different violations completely. [/B][/QUOTE]

What is basket interference then? What is the penalty for it? I guess I was taught this completly wrong.

[tjksail]

This definition, at http://www.hickoksports.com/glossary...ml#goaltending
is the way I was taught.

"goaltending
Interfering with a shot while it is on its downward flight toward the basket, while it is on its upward flight toward the basket after having touched the backboard, or while it is in the cylinder above the rim. If committed by a defensive player, the shot counts. If committed by an offense player, it is a violation and the ball is awarded to the opposing team for a throw-in."

I'am sure you are right, but can you please explain what is wrong with this def.? Thanks

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by tjksail
This definition, at http://www.hickoksports.com/glossary...ml#goaltending
is the way I was taught.

"goaltending
Interfering with a shot while it is on its downward flight toward the basket, while it is on its upward flight toward the basket after having touched the backboard, or while it is in the cylinder above the rim. If committed by a defensive player, the shot counts. If committed by an offense player, it is a violation and the ball is awarded to the opposing team for a throw-in."

I'am sure you are right, but can you please explain what is wrong with this def.? Thanks

They combined goaltending and basket interference.

The rule for goaltending is as follows.

Goaltending occurs when a player touches the ball during a try or tap when:

a. The ball is in downwards flight.
b. The entire ball is above rim level.
c. The ball has a possibilty of going in the basket.
d. The ball IS NOT touching an imaginary cylinder that has the basket ring as it's lower base.

a, b, and c are goaltending while d is basket interference if the ball is touched in or above the cylinder.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by tjksail
This definition, at http://www.hickoksports.com/glossary...ml#goaltending
is the way I was taught.

"goaltending
Interfering with a shot while it is on its downward flight toward the basket, while it is on its upward flight toward the basket after having touched the backboard, or while it is in the cylinder above the rim. If committed by a defensive player, the shot counts. If committed by an offense player, it is a violation and the ball is awarded to the opposing team for a throw-in."

I'am sure you are right, but can you please explain what is wrong with this def.? Thanks

Basket Interference has to do with touching the ball, the rim or the net while the ball is on or above the cylinder while the ball is on or above the cylinder. Basket Interference is not really associated with the actions of the shot. Both offense and defense can commit this action very easily. Usually the defense is the only one that commits a goaltending violation. That is of course and over-simplification or the two rules, but they are not the same.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by nine01c
Tjksail:
Maybe this webpage is correct for NBA (I don't know). If you are interested in college or high school it's not a good source. I quickly scanned that link. My advice would be to never look at it again. It took me about 10 seconds to find numerous errors in definitions, descriptions and usage. And that was only the five or six things I actually read.

Tjksail, that's good advice. Don't depend on those posted rules at all. Quite a few are wrong. The NCAA rules are on-line at:

http://www2.ncaa.org/media_and_event...playing_rules/

The definitions of "basket interference" and "goaltending" are in Rule 4, and the penalties are in Rule 9.

[tjksail]

Thanks for your help on this everybody.