I am just catching the end of the game here. GONZ vs SCU. Has anyone else seen this game?

Seems to be alot going here. Alot of fouls, several T's.

I just saw a play where a SCU player attempted to save a ball from going OOB, threw it back in off of GONZ players legs, and got a T called on him. Crowd chanting "BS, BS".

Can someone fill me in here on what I missed!

I don't know exactly what happened at the end, but I did watch some of the first half and it seemed like a pretty physical game.

I was going to start a thread on this, but someone beat me to it. At about the 1:30 mark or so (I'm in the midwest so this was at about 12:30 to me) there was a collision when a Gonzaga player went to the rim down the middle of the lane. The defender "flopped" in front of the contact which caused the officials to no call the play. The ball went quickly to the other end but the two players on the floor were still tangled up. The T stayed with them. As they were getting untangled there seemed to be some pushing. The T separated the players and after the play at the other end, The T called a double T. On the next possesion, there was a foul down low. After the whistle, a player from SCU saved the ball hard off a Gonzaga player and was given a T. It looked to me that they called the T to keep the game under control as they just had the double T on the previous possession. Also, after the double T, one of the SCU players supposedly should have fouled out of the game, but he remained in. I haven't checked out articles or boxscores yet so this is based solely on the announcers comments and we all know how accurate those are.

I would like to point out that the media always reports events correctly. Nothing is ever twisted to make it sound or appear that it could be taken out of context.
Third cup of coffee this morning and I have already got to hit on my morning sarcasm. It's going to be a good day.

You know the captain of the US Olympic Sarcasm Team is a member of this forum.

Hey Mark, maybe some new talent to recruit for 2008. Only downside, is it takes him 3 cups of coffee before the sarcasm starts to flow. And I am not sure but I think the Olympics considers caffeine a banned substance in the sport of Sarcasm :D

BBJ,
Hopefully when reelections for the USOST come about the procedures will be fully explained and easily understandable. Otherwise, it could end up like the San Diego mayor's race.

Or worse, the Washington Governor's race.

My sarcasm usually starts when I roll out of bed. Not to get off the sarcasm subject, but did anyone else see the game? I thought the officials might have been able to handle the situations without calling the T's, especially the first double T. The official was right on top of the play and it looked as though there was some pushing to get the players untangled but I didn't think the pushing "looked" like it deserved a T, but then again I wasn't right on top of the play like the official was and certainly couldn't hear if the players were talking to each other. As always, just my opinion.

I didn't see the game, but my guess is that the reason for the double T was not the pushing that occurred. From the description offered above, the ball was still live at the other end of the floor. So two guys pushing each other during a live ball would've been called a double personal foul. My guess is that after they got untangled, they continued to jaw at each other on the way upcourt and the official decided to put a stop to it.

Again, that a complete guess b/c I didn't see the game. But it seems reasonable to me.

Hey now wait just a minute...we've had a damn fine governor's race here! It just so happens that we are in triple overtime and both sides are fouling to stop the clock...what more could we ask for??

And I'm sure that if there was any "dirty" or despicable play in the game being discussed, it ALL came from Santa Clara - cause we WA types are very clean players - we would NEVER break any rules....of course that doesn't include UW football and Slick Rick Nueheisel...

I especially like the breakneck speed with which the parties have changed their positions on the "game management" depending on who's winning and who's not. "Hey, look! Here's a whole bunch of extra ballots that we didn't have before!" "Wait a minute, that's not fair.... Oh, look we've got a box. too! Of course, their box shouldn't count, but ours should because..." Sounds like Calvinball to me!

In the military it's called a "Charlie Foxtrot" - and no I won't elaborate :-)

ROTFLOL!

yup.

Hmmm. Peanut clusters anyone?

I'm not asking!

I get it, and I am shocked - SHOCKED, I tell you - that an Oregonian would belittle the election process of a neighboring state...shocked!!

Here is one play of the game where a T was called.

SCU player chases down a loose ball going OOB, player jumps and controls the ball in the air, throws the ball back into play and hits GONZ player in the shins. PSST! Official call a T immediately.

What I heard on tv after the play was that earlier in the game, a GONZ player threw the ball at a SCU player, maybe even the same two players were involved in this play.

A question I have, would it be justified under the rules to call a T here in this situation based on what happened earlier in the game?

I understand getting control of the game, but, this was the end of the game and the play IMO was definately not unsporting.

The play you described happened one possession immediately following the double T I described earlier. I felt that the official called it for 2 reasons, because the player had time to stop his actions after a foul was called on the play and the fact that there was a double T on the previous play so they didn't want things to get out of hand. The T in the first half was for a player spiking the ball after a call.

Especially when said person knows how much words can hurt. ;)

Hey, now wait a minute, I didn't say the hurtful words!! It was Tim that said them. He is a pretty gentle guy, as a rule, and I'm sure he knows how words can hurt, but he's not who you are referring to, is he?

What the announcers failed to inform us about on that play was that a foul was called before the player threw the ball at the GONZ player and he could have stopped. Once again they caused tons of confusion.

I felt all T's were warranted. On the double technical, two players were on the ground, pushing and shoving, while Santa Clara was going the other way with a fast break. The official correctly let SC have the fast break, then gave the double technical after the break was over. This was the second technical of the game on the SC guy, however the table did not inform the officials of this until later in the game.

Now I realize that since T's happen so infrequently, the officials probably should have realized this without help from the table, but I've got to give at least equal blame to the table for this mistake.

On the last technical, I agree with the above. The whistle for a common foul had long since blown when the SC kid threw the ball at the GONZ kid.

I don't know the full circumstances and, yes, the table probably should have known, but I'm in my 4th year of doing the book under NCAA rules, and I still have trouble figuring out technical foul counts - particularly with direct/indirect/unsporting/intentional/flagrant and all the combinations thereof.