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imagomer Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:09am

HS game. White causes the ball to go OOB, so Red get the throw in. Red coach subs a player who wasn't in the scorebook; Officials call the T. The Officials award White two FTs, then give Red the throw in (point of interuption). Was this correct, or should the penalty have been to award White 2 FTs AND the ball?

ChrisSportsFan Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:15am

White ball

Same as if Red Coach thought White traveled on the way to layup and now Red has inbounded and on the way up the court Red Coach earns a T. Not only does White get 2 free throws, but Red had the ball and now it belongs to White. I guess if you're gonna get a T, you should strategize your timing.

Adam Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:15am

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Originally posted by imagomer
HS game. White causes the ball to go OOB, so Red get the throw in. Red coach subs a player who wasn't in the scorebook; Officials call the T. The Officials award White two FTs, then give Red the throw in (point of interuption). Was this correct, or should the penalty have been to award White 2 FTs AND the ball?
A high school game should have seen the ball given to white here. If white coach wanted his player in the game, he should have subbed him in when red already had the ball.
Looks like this crew was using the NCAA rule, rather than the high school rule.

imagomer Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:28am

Thanks. I was white coach and I asked the Official politely (really) twice if he was sure. He said he was, and the game continued. Emotions were not elevated and we were comfortably ahead by 8 - 10 through the game, so there was no hub-bub about this call. I just wanted to be correct the next time.

ChiliBob Wed Jan 05, 2005 12:19pm

Well, if you were the white coach then our fellow official must have been correct. Kidding, you are correct. After ANY "T" the team that is awarded the FT's always get the ball at half court (as opposed to an intentional foul when the ball is inbounded, after the FT's, at the point "closest" to the spot of the foul.

tjones1 Wed Jan 05, 2005 01:37pm

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Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan
White ball

Same as if Red Coach thought White traveled on the way to layup and now Red has inbounded and on the way up the court Red Coach earns a T. Not only does White get 2 free throws, but Red had the ball and now it belongs to White. I guess if you're gonna get a T, you should strategize your timing.

Some guys will actually do that on purpose and I see their point. Wait until a team has the ball then T the coach.

Jurassic Referee Wed Jan 05, 2005 01:41pm

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Originally posted by ChiliBob
Well, if you were the white coach then our fellow official must have been correct. Kidding, you are correct. After ANY "T" the team that is awarded the FT's always get the ball at half court (as opposed to an <font color = red>intentional foul</font> when the ball is inbounded, after the FT's, at the point "closest" to the spot of the foul.
Are you sure that's where the throw-in is for an intentional <b>technical</b> foul? :confused:

Dudly Wed Jan 05, 2005 03:06pm

Without starting a new thread....Same type of situation. Before the throw in for white to start the second half. T called on white. Red would shoot the 2 FT and then get the ball and the arrow?

zebraman Wed Jan 05, 2005 03:12pm

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Originally posted by Dudly
Without starting a new thread....Same type of situation. Before the throw in for white to start the second half. T called on white. Red would shoot the 2 FT and then get the ball and the arrow?
A single technical foul does not cause the arrow to switch. Give two free throws to Red. Then give Red the ball at halfcourt opposite the table to start the half. The next AP throw-in will go to the team that had the arrow (it did not change).

Z

ChuckElias Wed Jan 05, 2005 05:05pm

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Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan
I guess if you're gonna get a T, you should strategize your timing.
Or petition the FED to do the smart thing and adopt the POI rule for Ts


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