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Rich Wed Jan 05, 2005 03:32am

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Originally posted by Nevadaref
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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
No long switches is a natural mechanic and, frankly, works well in 2-whistle as well. It's unnatural to call a rebounding foul as a trail, report and then have everyone watch as you switch to become the new trail going the other way.
You may feel that it is unusual, but it is correct. The no long switch concept does not apply to 2-man. I hope that you aren't doing it that way.

We do it, but it's silly.

As the state offices in WA and IL have proven, mechanics manuals are filled with suggestions.

Nevadaref Wed Jan 05, 2005 03:54am

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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
As the state offices in WA and IL have proven, mechanics manuals are filled with suggestions.
I thought that Tim Higgins proved that. :)

bob jenkins Wed Jan 05, 2005 09:07am

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Originally posted by Nevadaref

You may feel that it is unusual, but it is correct. The no long switch concept does not apply to 2-man. I hope that you aren't doing it that way.

There is a significant, albeit unsanctioned, movement in IL to avoid the long switch in two-person games as well. From what I know, it works well.


ChuckElias Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:01am

The "no long switch" in 2-whistle works fine, but so does the "long switch". There's nothing silly about the backcourt switch, b/c the calling official (often on the endline) is supposed to go to the reporting area to report the foul. So since you're already above the 3-point arc, just stay there.

If you want to get rid of the reporting area, then no long switch makes more sense than the long switch. But if you're reporting correctly, then you might as well just make the switch. It's not really that big a deal. It doesn't save that many steps.

Dan_ref Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:16am

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
The "no long switch" in 2-whistle works fine, but so does the "long switch". There's nothing silly about the backcourt switch, b/c the calling official (often on the endline) is supposed to go to the reporting area to report the foul. So since you're already above the 3-point arc, just stay there.

If you want to get rid of the reporting area, then no long switch makes more sense than the long switch. But if you're reporting correctly, then you might as well just make the switch. It's not really that big a deal. It doesn't save that many steps.

I think someone already said that the no long switch in 2 man allows the other guy to remain focused on the teams as they wander downcourt. I suppose you could do this and the long switch, it just doesn't seem as natural to me.

Anyways, I pregame all my 2 man games to *not* long switch (apologies to Nevada - I'm sure you'll get over it buddy).

Rich Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:33am

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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
The "no long switch" in 2-whistle works fine, but so does the "long switch". There's nothing silly about the backcourt switch, b/c the calling official (often on the endline) is supposed to go to the reporting area to report the foul. So since you're already above the 3-point arc, just stay there.

If you want to get rid of the reporting area, then no long switch makes more sense than the long switch. But if you're reporting correctly, then you might as well just make the switch. It's not really that big a deal. It doesn't save that many steps.

I think someone already said that the no long switch in 2 man allows the other guy to remain focused on the teams as they wander downcourt. I suppose you could do this and the long switch, it just doesn't seem as natural to me.

Anyways, I pregame all my 2 man games to *not* long switch (apologies to Nevada - I'm sure you'll get over it buddy).

I have a partner that doesn't like to long switch, so we don't. What I was saying earlier is the place where it's really unnatural (long switching) is where the TRAIL calls the rebounding foul.

ChuckElias Wed Jan 05, 2005 12:00pm

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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
What I was saying earlier is the place where it's really unnatural (long switching) is where the TRAIL calls the rebounding foul.
I can agree completely with this. Since the T is already in or near the reporting area, it is unnatural to force the switch. But again, I just don't see it as that big a deal.

ChuckElias Wed Jan 05, 2005 12:03pm

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Originally posted by Dan_ref
I pregame all my 2 man games to *not* long switch (apologies to Nevada - I'm sure you'll get over it buddy).
I worked 2-whistle last night, R said no long switches, so we didn't. Except that after he called a PC, he went to the reporting box and forgot to come back. So we switched. :)

Lousy game, by the way. 40-20 at the half. 62-27 final. Winning team's starting five played about 6 minutes total. Blech.


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