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vawils Sat Jan 01, 2005 04:20pm

I have asked a similar question before but still request some feedback to get this straight. After a made final free throw I know they can sub for the shooter etc. How about annoying coaches who sub after the first of two shots and then decide at the last second to send in a couple more subs to the table as the guy is shooting the second shot? Is it ok to let them in after the made free throw? This could apply to subs for either team. I assume so, but why then do we try to get them in after the first of two shots in the first place? Some coaches are always trying to push the envelope of course etc. I am still confused a bit about this and still learning so appreciate feedback so I can get this right for sure. Thanks a lot.

gordon30307 Sat Jan 01, 2005 04:26pm

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Originally posted by vawils
I have asked a similar question before but still request some feedback to get this straight. After a made final free throw I know they can sub for the shooter etc. How about annoying coaches who sub after the first of two shots and then decide at the last second to send in a couple more subs to the table as the guy is shooting the second shot? Is it ok to let them in after the made free throw? This could apply to subs for either team. I assume so, but why then do we try to get them in after the first of two shots in the first place? Some coaches are always trying to push the envelope of course etc. I am still confused a bit about this and still learning so appreciate feedback so I can get this right for sure. Thanks a lot.
Assuming the second free throw is good let the subs come in.

bob jenkins Sat Jan 01, 2005 05:04pm

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Originally posted by vawils
Is it ok to let them in after the made free throw? This could apply to subs for either team. I assume so, but why then do we try to get them in after the first of two shots in the first place?
We let them in before the last shot because the last shot might be missed.

Adam Sat Jan 01, 2005 06:12pm

I've seen a coach do this on every free throw trip for his team. He'd hold the player until we handed the ball to the shooter, then send him to the table. He wanted to set up his press.

Nevadaref Sat Jan 01, 2005 07:13pm

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Originally posted by Snaqwells
I've seen a coach do this on every free throw trip for his team. He'd hold the player until we handed the ball to the shooter, then send him to the table. He wanted to set up his press.
As long as that player checks in before the dead ball that occurs after the free throw is made, the official should let him enter by rule. While it can be annoying, it is legal and as an official I have to let teams to do what the rules allow even if I don't care for it. I do insist that the coach get his kids over there in a timely manner, so that the game is not unnecessarily delayed. If he doesn't I just might miss a few of his subs. ;)

Adam Sat Jan 01, 2005 09:03pm

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Originally posted by Nevadaref
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Originally posted by Snaqwells
I've seen a coach do this on every free throw trip for his team. He'd hold the player until we handed the ball to the shooter, then send him to the table. He wanted to set up his press.
As long as that player checks in before the dead ball that occurs after the free throw is made, the official should let him enter by rule. While it can be annoying, it is legal and as an official I have to let teams to do what the rules allow even if I don't care for it. I do insist that the coach get his kids over there in a timely manner, so that the game is not unnecessarily delayed. If he doesn't I just might miss a few of his subs. ;)

I thought it was actually a good strategy to slow down the inbound following the free throw. I never even question letting them in. It's the rule.

Mark Dexter Sat Jan 01, 2005 11:57pm

Yes, it is allowed and, as mentioned, is often good coaching strategy.

Where you must be careful is in who comes back in. Remember - if a player is subbed out during the FT's, he cannot come back after the last free throw is successful - he must wait until the clock is properly started on the inbounds.

ChuckElias Sun Jan 02, 2005 09:51am

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Originally posted by Snaqwells
I thought it was actually a good strategy to slow down the inbound following the free throw. I never even question letting them in. It's the rule.
Which is why, once again, the NBA rule is better. You want to sub? Do it before the final FT, so that the game starts right up again. No mini-TO after every FT. I hate that.

vawils Sun Jan 02, 2005 11:13am

Thanks all - great responses and help.


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