Automatics Tees to me are:

Any remark that begins with You... The next part of the remark better be the best official I've ever had.

Constant whining or complaining. Once I've given the stop sign now they are fair game.

Swearing so all can hear. If a kid makes a bad play and and says something and I'm 100% sure that it was directed soley at himself and I was not intended to hear it nor did anyone else hear it I'll let it pass. If it's directed at me or my partner he'll get the appropriate punishment.

Showing me or my crew up. Showing my partner up only if my partner is not aware of it.

Borderline depending on circumstances how the coach has treated me how the players are behaving etc. etc. etc. First offenses I'll proably ignore depending upon circumstances. Then again I may not ignore.

That's a bad call, That's terrible stuff like that. Just my opinion I know that 50% of the people agree with the Coach and 50% agree with me. Not a bad approval rating that most Presidents would accept. To me remarks like that are not necessarily showing me up. Then again they may be and if I feel that it's warranted I will use the ultimate weapon. I try to use good judgement which is the key to good officiating.

That being said just because my partner Teed the Coach when he said "That's Terrible" I would of course be 100% in support of my only friend on the court. After the game or half time I may ask what caused him/her to do that with the thought maybe there's something for me to learn. If I agree I file it away if not it goes into the trash bin.

I know of officials that call "a lot of Tees" and I know of officials who hardly ever Tee the coach (claim they are thick skinned) and everything in between. I'm one of those "in between guys".

Every official has a different tolerance level
and that may change from game to game.
I personally do not like to see an official give
a coach or player a "second chance". It's going
to happen, so why wait.. everyone knows the rules
including the players and coaches.

I think we need to make a distinction between warning and threatening. If I see something that's close I tell a player to "knock it off." I tell a coach "that's enough" "I've had enough." I don't however threaten the T. If I see it again. Bingo!

I agree with this 100% but, IMO, not doing this is the current way of society. If we all followed something like this it would eventually be better for the game. This is even more difficult when some states allow the coaches to dictate, to some extent, how far officials go into the postseason or how many games they get in years to come. If sportsmanship is going to be a POE we need to take it seriously.

Winterwillie, sometimes I dream about reffing someplace like you do. Then I wake up. Getting validation from players is a nice thought but they will lie to the bitter end. A lot, not all, players never think they do anything wrong.

And <b>you</b> as an official <b>never</b> make a mistake out there.

I can't speak for Tomegun, but I never have. Just ask Juulie.

I'm not tomegun, but I've seen them on TV. :)
Seriously, I was thinking the same thing. I've seen the "I had all ball" look when I knew for a fact there was contact. Have there been times when I've called a foul and the players reaction made me rethink it (although I never changed the call)? Absolutely. And I've used those incidents to make myself a better ref; just as the times when I can see there was contact but I didn't have the angle to call it. However, I'd be very leary about telling a new ref to use the players' reactions as a barometer for the accuracy of his calls.

Maybe it will help if you look at it from the player's perspective. <b>You</b> are the only thing standing between him/her and a full scholarship to a D1 college.

Additional food for thought
 

As mentioned earlier, we all have our own personal thresholds and the many factors evolving around the game influence the officials' method of game management.

Use of a "T" (in "judgement cases") should be done to improve the game. The wisdom to judiciously use the "T" will be gained during your time spent on the court and understanding the flow of the game.

My personal style in game managemnt means that I have progressed through the "universal stop sign" before I assess a "T"; unless the behavior warrants an immediate intervention. "You...." statements are of that nature.

Winterwillie, this is the post I was referring to. Yes, I make mistakes and yes I've made some phantom calls. BUT, if I used the reaction of players for validation of a good call or bad call I would be very confused. Haven't most of us played some sort of sport or game and tried to get away with something only to get caught? My reaction isn't to hang my head admitting guilt on a close call. Sorry. As a matter of fact on my over 30 team my teammates know for a fact I get uh some "ref" calls that send me to the line. What am I supposed to do, say "no they didn't foul me?" I shoot the free throws and try to get a win for my team. It is sort of funny but that is another subject.

I just don't think it is a good idea to tell someone new to use the players reaction to tell if they "nail" a call. Plus, I will NOT think about whether I'm preventing a player from getting a scholarship when I blow my whistle. I hope I'm misunderstanding your post but if I'm not that is probably the most ridiculous thing I've heard this season. I don't mean to offend you but come on! Anyone who knows about the DC Catholic league or the DC area in general will tell you that there are plenty of D1 players here. I cannot hamper one of those players ability to show their skills unless I do something so twisted that I will lose my games. Maybe I don't understand what you mean but I have nothing to do with a D1 kid shooting the ball or showing their skills. I don't get it. I'm so confused that this post might not make as much sense as I originally intended.

I thought this was a joke. Really, I did.

Well......

I hope it is! :D

[QUOTE]Originally posted by WinterWillie

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Originally posted by Tomegun I'm so confused that this post might not make as much sense as I originally intended.

You are absolutely right.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by WinterWillie

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Originally posted by WinterWillie Quote: Originally posted by Tomegun I'm so confused that this post might not make as much sense as I originally intended. You are absolutely right.

OK, let me summarize for anyone that might be a new official.

Do NOT worry about a players reaction when you blow your whistle. They want to win the game. Do NOT worry about whether or not your calls will prevent a kid from going D1, THEY WON'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Finally for new officials; make a mental note of any official that will tell you to do the above!

excellent point.
Listen to vetran officials, extract what
you feel is positive.
I officiate myself and observe at the
D1 level.