I'm about to call a 3-seconds violation when I hear the opposing coach yell from the other end of the court, "THREE SECONDS!!!!!"

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, it takes every decent bone in my body to actually make that call. Makes me look like I didn't see it until he "helped" me see it. Argggghhhhhhhh.

That actually happens quite a bit like they are holding a stop watch and everytime a toe of the opposing team gets in the key they push the start button. Gets under my skin too.

I agree... annoying to say the least
 

If it is avoidable in this situation, I am going to hold my whistle a little longer and let them play on.... if the player in question stays in the lane for an additional 2-3 seconds I will call it.

Another factor that plays into my judgement: Has the coach been begging for everything all night, or is this a rare observation and request.

IF you chose to whistle THIS play on the heels of the coach's demand you are giving the impression that you can be influenced by the "squeaky wheel" coach.

They do the same thing for traveling, double dribble etc. Most of the time I just think that they are really "into the game". I agree that it appears that they made the call. I just ignore them and continue to do my thing. Sometimes I agree and sometimes I disagree.

Pull a Daveism. After a quater go sit next to the coach. When he ask you what you are doing say " Well since you can see the game so good over here, I thought I would call it from here." :)

If the coach is that dedicated to getting that call, I think we should, at the next natural stoppage, go over to the coach and discuss his concerns. Mention to him that although he means well it isn't appropriate and that if he persists you're going to have to call an unsporting technical on him. That should get his focus back on his players and his coaching:p

I was actually scheduled to work a holiday tournament game with Dave tomorrow evening - until one of the teams dropped out at the last minute and the game was cancelled. Too bad, I was looking forward to it. I did work a preason varsity scrimage with him & Smitty - both good officials & lots of fun to work with.

I did a similar thing a coach was on my back all game then at half time i went and sat right im between him and his assistant coach and he said " What are u doing ?" and then i said "Coach heres my whistle seeing u are doing such a good job on telling how to referee ill coach and then u can referee" embarassingly he took my whistle we had a good laugh about it and he got off my case.

for some reason they think it's helping the game, the whole time your paying more attention to the illegal screens and calling those fouls because they're not properly coached. Seems that if they worked their teams as hard as they worked us they could win alot more games.

sometimes when you mention it to them, they just say; "i'm just talking out loud" or "i'm not trying to tell you your job, I'm just into the game". i know what i usually say here, but what do you guys say to get them to hush?

What I do in that situation. If a coach hollars for 3 seconds, he can hollar all night. I will not satisfy him with the call. It will make you look like the coach made you make the call.

I tell the players to get out of the lane first and if they don't comply then I bang them.

how bout this perspective: maybe, just maybe, Coach is actually coaching his team to make sure they understand that the person they're guarding has been in the lane to long and that they had better not do that at the other end. Or maybe, they can't find the person they're supposed to be guarding so he's yelling 3 seconds to give them a clue as to where they can find them. Sort of like a friendly game of Marco Polo.

Chris, I have some ocean-front property for sale in Wisconsin. You interested?

A lot of coaches will do this if they think you've missed the call the last few times down the court. Many coaches don't understand that the count gets reset after every shot, and they rarely hear the ref warning the players to get out of the lane.

I wonder what the coach would do if you called out "Play 1-3-1 trap on defense", the next time you went near him?

While it is possible that the Coach is coaching rather than reffing (a-hem, snicker-snicker, roll-of-the-eyes, smirk), I am reasonably certain that there is no ocean near Wisconsin so you got jipped when you bought that property Rich.

In a boys JV game last year I had a coach yelling for 3 seconds the entire first half. I didn't give him a call. At halftime I asked how he was counting? His answer was 1, 2,3. I told him a count like that is only 2 seconds. I did not hear from him in the second half.

Re: I agree... annoying to say the least
 

The coaches count always seems to be a second or two (or three) early on a backcourt 10 second count or a throw-in 5 second count.

If a coach yells "5! 5! 5!", I may be at 5 on my count by the time he is done. Thats when I would really prefer to go to a 6 count. Or start over at 1 'cause I lost count with all the 5's raining down.

Hartsy

The player had been in the lane 5 seconds and I was coming with the call anyway. He just happened to yell it right before I called it. The call must be made (it's the rule), I just hate to make it. I'm not going to suspend a rule just to prove to the fans that I'm not persuaded by a coach. My actions the rest of the game should establish that.

I had a little dribblers coach howlering that at me, "3,3,3,3,3,3", so I turned around and told him "coach, your making me loose count."

It worked.

You could view it from that perspective but then u might give the false impression to a coach that hes controlling the game so maybe you could miss that one by just warning the players to get out. Insted of letting the coach be o your back the rest of the game.

I tend to not watch for it after the coach starts yelling about it :p

Yer right, Chris.
He's got one of the lesser lakes. :)
mick

I have a couple of responses for this situation, feel free to use any of them.
1) "Coach, you really don't want me to call that."
2) "OK, but I'll start at your end first."
3) Or I'll just ignore the request until that coach's team runs their next offensive set.

Oh, my ! :rolleyes:
I usually get more experienced partners that are neither vindictive, power hungry, nor sassy.
mick

I too hate this situation - what to do!

Around here we will start a visual count when spectators want to call 3 seconds - arm swing or something.

It's kinda a compromise. We also yell like hell - Get outta the lane.

With us, the crowd and the coach's yelling - they usually get a clue quick.

Ref Daddy,
Seems a little like the cart being before the horse if the fans, coaches are forcing the use of improper mechanics [arm swing].

But if you feel your goal of appeasing the crowd makes the game better, it certainly is your floor and your choice.
mick

Yeah, I'm confused. Would you act the same way if a fan yelled "3 seconds"? Why not make the call? Instead, you're giving him the 5 seconds he's been in the lane plus a verbal warning, plus another 3 seconds?

I understand that you don't want to appear "bought" but let's not ignore the rules to save a little face.

Just for the record, when he actually does these things, they make the game better. He's a partner you'd be happy to work with, mick.

Did he tell you to tighten it up? :D

I believe you, Jewel. :)
But I do not imagine those three statements are taught in your Rookie Training.
Have a good New Year.
mick

Hey, Jimgolf, the coach would tell you to get up in the stands, where everyone else is offering him advice in breaths between criticizing referees.

So let me get this straight.

If I follow the logic in this thread than the following applies as well. A1 goes in for a layup and gets hacked. Coach yells for a foul, but since he yelled, I choose to ignore the call. Or, A1 dribbling on the baseline steps on the line, coach yells "he's on the line," so I choose to ignore it.

Folks, we are referees. Our job is to enforce the rules that we've been provided with in order for the players to have a fair chance at winning the game. Our job is not to show up the coaches, nor is it to prove that they can't influence us. If you were going to call 3 seconds, call it. If it's a call you don't make, don't call it. Please remember that we are not above the game. We are just a small piece of it. Coaches beg for calls all of the time. If they're right they should get the call. If not, ignore them. If necessary, discuss it with them. If truly needed, T them. Giving one team an advantage just to spite a noisy coach....I don't think so.

Make the call and inform the coach that you're quite capable of officiating without his help. I did this in a girls' JV game when the coach shouted "It's two if it goes" while the opposing team took a shot from about 17 feet. As I ran by him, I told him "I've got it, coach."
He called a timeout, and came to talk with me, expressing concern that there were fans shouting all kinds of advice and I chose to confront him. I calmly informed him that fans get much more discretion than coaches.