I've had three games this week, and in two of them I couldn't tell from the behavior which coach was the head coach, and which was the assistant. In my game yesterday, my aprtner finally had to talk to the coaches to get it straight, and to get them in line. Today, I just reminded the coaches once that assistant could not address the ref, nor be off the bench during play. Is it a fluke that this has happened to me twice in one week? Or is it a growing problem in other places?

In PA we have a pregame meeting with captains and Head Coaches. Whoever attends is Batman for the game. Once I suspected it was an assistant coach who attended the meeting and asked him to verify - sure enough it was the AC. After we switched coaches, everything went smooth from there. As part of that pregame meeting I review the HC box location for that game (it is new this year in PA). All this helps HC and ref to work well together for the game.

Just this week:: I knew who was the HC because she came to the HC/Capt Mtg a few minutes earlier.
Partner has foul, basket made, count the bucket and ASStant suddenly gets his panties in a wad and starts fussing at me about partners call. I looked straight at HC and asked; "who's the HC here"? She responded with: "me". So I just asked her; "then why is he talking to me"? She shut him up and we had a wonderful game.
I could tell by the look on his face that others have probably allowed him to chirp in the past but he was able to figure out how to operate that zipper on his lips, so I didn't see any need to pursue it further.

Juulie - now I can't get the picture out of my head of you dressed as Catwoman. Thanks. :eek:

Downright terrifying!!

My usual comment is, "Coach, your assistant is going to get you in trouble." They get the hint and most times the head coach tells the assistant to be quite.

Works for me.

Know the man ...
 

I would simply always know ahead of time who is the main man. That is not a problem in our state since we have a required administration meeting with the coaches before the contest, but I would always want to know who to listen to and who to ignore.

Thanks
David

We always have the Head Coach sign the book before the game, verifying the numbers and names.

We normally don't have the AC offer to do this, mostly b/c they don't want to get the chewing from the coach for a T from something being wrong

I think coaches that are not very experienced seem to allow assistants run their mouths more often. I worked a Freshman Tournament yesterday afternoon that that took place.

I love it when a coach tries to say, "I have been coaching for 13 years and I have never been T'd up that fast." Well maybe if that coach was a varsity coach he might realize that officials do not play that.

Peace

My variation on that comment is, "Coach, your assistant is about to buy you a seat for the rest of the game."

Either way, it's very effective.

Had two BV games yesterday. Good tournament. My P and I got lucky because we had the game that should have been the final. Went to OT.

Anyways, the HC of A gives the other team 2 + possession. Then he's up wandering around the bench. I'm table side, and at the first DB I give a quick hold to my P and mention to this coach how the penalty for a technical foul includes losing the coaching box. He's like "Oh Christ, are you kidding me?" As if we're evil to enforce it.

"Ah, yeah coach," goes through my mind.

He ended up winning in OT.

Anyways, yes I always ID the HC during the pre-game. it makes it alot easier when the AC gets OOC. Aruond my area, they know why we ask who the HC is.

And this year's winner for the most prolific use of SLAs and TLAs goes to JugglingReferee :D

The games that started this thread turns out there were "co-head-coaches". My partner was the R. He had not clarified who was head coach. The guy who was at the coaches' conference was up for the first few minutes of the game. Then the other guy asks for time out. I thoughtlessly gave it to him, then realized I shouldn't have. After the time out, partner went and talked to the first guy, and asked for clarification. He says, "We're co-coaches so we can both request TO's and be up." Partner says no way. So the guy who had been at the coaches conference says he's the head coach. But it was the other guy that was up the most. We spoke to it a couple of times, finally got it under control.

So what's with the co-coach thing? Since when is this a good idea?!?

Two things, Juulie.
1. It assuages egoes.
2. They're trying for a loophole in the rules allowing them both hc privileges.

If I recall it is allowed in NCAA games, but if one coach gets 2Ts the other one has to go out the door with him. As far as I know it is NOT allowed in NFHS play, at least I wouldn't allow it. Wait, I'd let them both be co-asst coaches. Neither has that standing priviledge or can request a time-out. :D

I've never heard of this, Nevada. I don't think NCAA allows co-(head)coaches. Could be wrong, I guess, but that would really surprise me.

Ah, Chuck, how could you doubt me? I'm so hurt.

Holy smokes, Batman! There's co-head coaches over there!
:)
BR-144 RULE 10-9/FOULS AND PENALTIES
Section 10. Penalty for Unsporting Conduct of Bench Personnel
Art. 4. All of the direct technical fouls mentioned in Section 9 of this Rule shall be charged to the offender, shall also be charged/assessed to the head coach or co-head coaches and shall count toward the teamfoul total.
Art. 6. The head coach or co-head coaches shall be ejected after (a) two direct technical fouls have been assessed to him, her or them, (b) three bench direct technical fouls have been charged to his or her team or (c) a combination of one direct technical foul and two bench technical fouls have been assessed to him, her or them.



[Edited by Nevadaref on Dec 31st, 2004 at 09:35 AM]

Juulie - as you probably know, the "co-coach" situation occurred at Oregon City HS with the girls team after Brad returned from his brief college coaching stint. The district and conference allowed this unusual situation, but he and Carl were required to indicated to the officials which one was acting as head coach for the game. As long as this happens, I think it's OK.

That's where we ended up, too, but it took us until about the middle of the third quarter. Believe me this won't happen to me again. It was a royal pain in the neck. From now on, it goes into my coaches' meeting: "So each of you ia the head coach? You may be off the bench, you may request time-outs, you may address us politely at any dead ball. Your assistants must remain on the bench, and may not address us."

Had this happen a couple of years ago in a JVG game. My partner and I went over to introduce ourselves. There were 2 very attractive female coaches. I was the R and when I asked who was the head coach, one of them smiled wickedly and said "we are co-coaches and we share everything". I guess I must have blushed because the other coach started laughing and said "it works everytime". I did manage to find out who was the HC for that game. My partner cracked up laughing at me when she made her comment.