PC or not??

[justacoach]

Given that:
1. A1 is in flight with the ball
2. B1 has LGP
3. Both teams in the bonus
Whaddya got if player A1, in mid-air, passes the ball to A2, and then, while still airborne, collides with B1?

TIA for all responses and Happy Holidays to all!!

[Edited by justacoach on Dec 23rd, 2004 at 07:28 PM]

[Mark Padgett]

This is a common foul on A1. It is not a player control foul because A1 was not in player control (holding or dribbling a live ball inbounds) at the time of the foul. An exception would be if A1 took a shot instead of passing.

This is what officials call a "pass and crash".

[Blackhawk357]

I would concur, no PC after airborn pass.

In order to know how to handle the sit. you need to know if B is in the bonus, not A (#3). B1 shoots 1+1 if in bonus (7 to 9 fouls on team A) 2 if double bonus (10 or more). Otherwise B's ball for a throw-in at closest spot to the foul.

Blackhawk

[Robmoz]

Coach -

So what team were you and how did the officials handle this situation for your game??????

[ref18]

In this situation does B1 have to have LGP before A1 is airborne, or does that not matter with the pass and crash??

[Adam]

Originally posted by ref18
In this situation does B1 have to have LGP before A1 is airborne, or does that not matter with the pass and crash??

B1 absolutely has to have position before A1 is airborne.

[Edited by Snaqwells on Dec 23rd, 2004 at 09:32 PM]

[justacoach]

Originally posted by Robmoz
Coach -

So what team were you and how did the officials handle this situation for your game??????

My guy was in the air...
Had to do a little educating after the game. L (2-man)called PC and didn't award merited FT's, both teams in bonus. I tried to reason with him during the game to let them shoot but I just got a stern look.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally posted by ref18
In this situation does B1 have to have LGP before A1 is airborne, or does that not matter with the pass and crash??

B1 cannot take away A1's landing spot after he's airborne, whether he has the ball or not. That would be a block whether B1 had previously obtained LGP or not.

Assuming that B1 did not move into airborne A1's landing spot, LGP or not, B1 is entitled to his spot on the floor. If A1 initiates the contact by crashing into B1, any foul is going to be on A1.

In short, I don't see how LGP affects this play either way.

[ref18]

Originally posted by justacoach

My guy was in the air...
Had to do a little educating after the game. L (2-man)called PC and didn't award merited FT's, both teams in bonus. I tried to reason with him during the game to let them shoot but I just got a stern look.

That's good that you'll try to correct the refs in favour of the other team. That shows a good coach. Good job man.

[justacoach]

Originally posted by ref18

That's good that you'll try to correct the refs in favour of the other team. That shows a good coach. Good job man.

And almost got T'd up for my trouble!!!

[canuckrefguy]

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
This is a common foul on A1. It is not a player control foul because A1 was not in player control (holding or dribbling a live ball inbounds) at the time of the foul. An exception would be if A1 took a shot instead of passing.

This is what officials call a "pass and crash".

It is a TEAM control foul though, correct? Which means no FT's whatever the foul count it.

[ref18]

Originally posted by canuckrefguy

It is a TEAM control foul though, correct? Which means no FT's whatever the foul count it.

I think this is NHFS rules, not CIS mens, but if it was a CIS mens game, I don't believe there'd be any free throws shot.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by ref18

I think this is NHFS rules, not CIS mens, but if it was a CIS mens game, I don't believe there'd be any free throws shot.

Right, Fed doesn't recognize the Team Control concept like NCAA. If the player who fouls has player control, there are no shots, ever. If the player who fouls does not have the ball, there are shots if the opponent is in the bonus regardless of offense or defense.

[ref18]

Originally posted by rainmaker

If the player who fouls has player control, there are no shots, ever. If the player who fouls does not have the ball, there are shots if the opponent is in the bonus regardless of offense or defense.

You're talking about fed rules here, right??

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by ref18

You're talking about fed rules here, right??

Right, that's why my post started with "Fed doesn't recognize the Team Control concept like NCAA". Fed is the only rule set I'm familiar with.