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IREFU2 Wed Dec 22, 2004 09:32am
Well the drive actually started at the free throw line and I called the foul right as she crossed the line and she was on her way to the basket. Of course I blew the whistle and she continue and scored while the rest of the players stopped at the whistle. This was during my first year. Since then, the long drives are blown dead unless the player is actually shooting.

Indy_Ref Wed Dec 22, 2004 09:35am
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Originally posted by johnnyrao
Boys V Game tonight between 2 pretty good teams. Anyway, I am C and A1 drives down the lane to the hoop. B brushes him at the foul line but I let it go since A has an easy lay-up (which he makes). At next dead ball coach of A asks (actually quite nicely) why I didn't call a block on B. I said because his player had a clear lay-up and if I called it it would have been on the floor and no points. He didn't buy it and said I should have called it anyway (not sure why since he got 2 points).

My question is should I have answered like this? I mean, should I have aknowledged that I saw the foul but chose to play the advantage or just say "coach, I didn't see it like that" and continue on?
Johnny,

You did just fine. You might want to make a note in your scheduling book to NOT officiate any more games that include this coach. He obviously doesn't understand game management! Any coach who wants you to call a foul and take away his 2 points is certainly a coach of which I don't want any part.

ChuckElias Wed Dec 22, 2004 11:08am
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Originally posted by Indy_Ref
Any coach who wants you to call a foul and take away his 2 points is certainly a coach of which I don't want any part.
Maybe it would've been the 4th foul on the star player (forcing the opposing coach to sit him) or something like that.

I'm not saying the foul should've been called there. I agree it was good to let it go. I'm only saying there might be a legitimate reason to trade two points for one foul.

Indy_Ref Wed Dec 22, 2004 11:12am
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by Indy_Ref
Any coach who wants you to call a foul and take away his 2 points is certainly a coach of which I don't want any part.
Maybe it would've been the 4th foul on the star player (forcing the opposing coach to sit him) or something like that.

I'm not saying the foul should've been called there. I agree it was good to let it go. I'm only saying there might be a legitimate reason to trade two points for one foul.
Which is why I'd tell the coach that his star player will get the same treatment at the other end of the floor.

Robmoz Wed Dec 22, 2004 11:15am
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Originally posted by Indy_Ref
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by Indy_Ref
Any coach who wants you to call a foul and take away his 2 points is certainly a coach of which I don't want any part.
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Maybe it would've been the 4th foul on the star player (forcing the opposing coach to sit him) or something like that.

I'm not saying the foul should've been called there. I agree it was good to let it go. I'm only saying there might be a legitimate reason to trade two points for one foul.
Which is why I'd tell the coach that his star player will get the same treatment at the other end of the floor.
Please tell me you do NOT really believe what you wrote and that you are being sarcastic!

ChrisSportsFan Wed Dec 22, 2004 11:19am
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Originally posted by Indy_Ref
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by Indy_Ref
Any coach who wants you to call a foul and take away his 2 points is certainly a coach of which I don't want any part.
Maybe it would've been the 4th foul on the star player (forcing the opposing coach to sit him) or something like that.

I'm not saying the foul should've been called there. I agree it was good to let it go. I'm only saying there might be a legitimate reason to trade two points for one foul.
Which is why I'd tell the coach that his star player will get the same treatment at the other end of the floor.
I'm probably not making any comments remotely simular to that one, in fact I'm not even thinking it.

nine01c Wed Dec 22, 2004 11:37am
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Originally posted by tomegun
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Originally posted by South GA BBall Ref
My response would be: "Coach, I did observe a little contact, but the contact did not warrant a foul being called since there was no disadvantage to your player and recall that Rule 4-27 states that all contact does not necessitate a foul. I'll give your team the same consideration on the other end of the floor."
IMHO, too much.
C'mon guys. Don't you think he was just KIDDING?

tomegun Wed Dec 22, 2004 11:43am
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Originally posted by nine01c
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Originally posted by tomegun
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Originally posted by South GA BBall Ref
My response would be: "Coach, I did observe a little contact, but the contact did not warrant a foul being called since there was no disadvantage to your player and recall that Rule 4-27 states that all contact does not necessitate a foul. I'll give your team the same consideration on the other end of the floor."
IMHO, too much.
C'mon guys. Don't you think he was just KIDDING?
I don't know if he was kidding or not. I have seen things like this happen and I thought it was too much. If he is kidding then OK but there is someone out there somewhere that needs to know this is too much.

Indy_ref, I hope you was kidding when you posted what you would say to a coach about his "star" player. Right?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Dec 22, 2004 02:28pm
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Originally posted by IREFU2
Well the drive actually started at the free throw line and I called the foul right as she crossed the line and she was on her way to the basket. Of course I blew the whistle and she continue and scored while the rest of the players stopped at the whistle. This was during my first year. Since then, the long drives are blown dead unless the player is actually shooting.

IREFU2:

By drive I am going to assume that A1 was dribbling toward Team A's basket when she was fouled by B1. Was A1 fouled by B1 before or after she stopped her dribble?

MTD, Sr.

johnnyrao Wed Dec 22, 2004 07:34pm
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by Indy_Ref
Any coach who wants you to call a foul and take away his 2 points is certainly a coach of which I don't want any part.
Maybe it would've been the 4th foul on the star player (forcing the opposing coach to sit him) or something like that.

I'm not saying the foul should've been called there. I agree it was good to let it go. I'm only saying there might be a legitimate reason to trade two points for one foul.
Chuck,

It was first half so it wasn't a 4 foul situation, and, quite frankly, I would not have known anyway. Thanks for your response because I just learned an important lesson about game management.

Forksref Wed Dec 22, 2004 07:37pm
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Originally posted by johnnyrao
Boys V Game tonight between 2 pretty good teams. Anyway, I am C and A1 drives down the lane to the hoop. B brushes him at the foul line but I let it go since A has an easy lay-up (which he makes). At next dead ball coach of A asks (actually quite nicely) why I didn't call a block on B. I said because his player had a clear lay-up and if I called it it would have been on the floor and no points. He didn't buy it and said I should have called it anyway (not sure why since he got 2 points).

My question is should I have answered like this? I mean, should I have aknowledged that I saw the foul but chose to play the advantage or just say "coach, I didn't see it like that" and continue on?
Last week I had a coach say, "Why didn't you call a travel?" I said, "Because I didn't see a travel." Was that sufficient?


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