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Ball is dead at the point of contact. She wasnt in the act of shooting. I made this mistake and my evaluator told me that this isnt the NBA> LOL!

"On the floor" is a pet peeve of mine. It implies that any fouls committed on a shooter while he/she is on the floor are not shooting fouls. Continuous motion allows the shooter to take as many as two steps and still get the "and one".

The Officials Guidebooks says to "point to the throw in spot and simultaneously tell your partner that a throw in is to follow".

Whenever I have a partner that uses "on the floor" I usually just freeze until I can hear what he reports to the table to find out if we are shooting or not.

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Originally posted by jdccpa

Whenever I have a partner that uses "on the floor" I usually just freeze until I can hear what he reports to the table to find out if we are shooting or not.

Well, I guess that I will make a point to avoid this phrase going forward.

I really do not see how this is confusing especially to the point where my partner would not know what the heck I was calling...old habit I've taken for granted for many years.

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Originally posted by Robmoz
I use it and sell it when I want to make it clear that we are not going to shoot FT's ...

Do you also sell it when you are going to shoot FT's ??

I wouldn't think that you need to sell both.

I generally reference the shot by saying "We're going to shoot two." or "Before the shot." And neither one is generally much of a sell job - more of an informative statement.

okay there's my two pennies...

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Originally posted by Robmoz
I've never been told to avoid this phrase as it seems to be pretty clear to mean that the foul was committed prior to the act of shooting. Perhaps I am assuming too much here as I feel the term is somewhat common (not that THAT makes it correct). How can that be misleading?

It's misleading b/c it sounds as though any time a player is fouled while still "on the floor", no FTs can be awarded. We know that's false. The act of shooting can start while the player is still touching the floor. Likewise, an airborne player can be fouled and not be awarded FTs (b/c s/he wasn't shooting). Being "on the floor" is not a reason for not awarding FTs.

You're right that it's very common, and most people know that "on the floor" really means "before the shot". Just like when refs say "over the back" we wince, but we know they mean "push from behind during a rebound". The problem is not that we don't know what you mean. The problem is that you don't really mean what you're saying.

Since "on the floor" really means "before the shot", just say "before the shot" or "no shot" (which is what I say).

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
It's misleading b/c it sounds as though any time a player is fouled while still "on the floor", no FTs can be awarded. We know that's false. The act of shooting can start while the player is still touching the floor.

Maybe I'm the only one, but I always thought that "on the floor" meant the re-start. In other words, "We're having a throw-in, not shots." So it's never been misleading to me.

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Originally posted by ChuckElias

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Originally posted by Robmoz
I've never been told to avoid this phrase as it seems to be pretty clear to mean that the foul was committed prior to the act of shooting. Perhaps I am assuming too much here as I feel the term is somewhat common (not that THAT makes it correct). How can that be misleading?

It's misleading b/c it sounds as though any time a player is fouled while still "on the floor", no FTs can be awarded. We know that's false. The act of shooting can start while the player is still touching the floor. Likewise, an airborne player can be fouled and not be awarded FTs (b/c s/he wasn't shooting). Being "on the floor" is not a reason for not awarding FTs.

You're right that it's very common, and most people know that "on the floor" really means "before the shot". Just like when refs say "over the back" we wince, but we know they mean "push from behind during a rebound". The problem is not that we don't know what you mean. The problem is that you don't really mean what you're saying.

Since "on the floor" really means "before the shot", just say "before the shot" or "no shot" (which is what I say).

Your right Chuck, I follow the rationale and I would have no problem migrating to these phrases. I'll make it a point to work on this week.