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in the (unlikely?) event the defense is called for a violation for excessively swinging the elbows, would the shot clock be reset? I'm thinking it should be.
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Yes. Any violation is a shot clock reset criteria. It is basically the same as if a defender kicked the ball. I think it helps if you consider the rationale behind when we reset. We don't penalize a defender for good defense (blocked shot / held ball) however kciking and elbows are written in stone infractions so the shot clock gets the reset
[Edited by Wearin' Stripes on Dec 8th, 2004 at 01:08 PM] |
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I think you are correct because this is a floor violation, just like a "kicked ball" requires a reset (even though ball stays with same team). Use the "circling finger over head" signal for the reset. See, I told you shot clocks are a pain in the neck. |
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A no call, player swings his elbows at an opponent? I'm thinking unsportsman-like conduct. T Reset the clock! |
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Be very careful with this (hint - you may want to re-read rule 9). |
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Can you call a violation on the defense for this? I know you can call a violation on the offense for it but on the defense wouldn't it have to be a foul, flagrant foul, or a no call? [/B][/QUOTE] Since when does "swinging elbows" violation differ between offense and defense? If no contact = violation. If there is contact = T foul. Doesn't matter which team commits the action. Reset the clock (this is NOT the same as a ball being batted out of bounds, which is not a violation, per se). |
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If there is contact = T foul. Doesn't matter which team commits the action. Reset the clock (this is NOT the same as a ball being batted out of bounds, which is not a violation, per se). [/B][/QUOTE] 1) If it's contact during a live ball, then it's a personal foul (might be intentional or flagrant), not a T. 2) "Causing the ball to go OOB" is a violation -- see 9- 3 (both FED and NCAA). It's just an "exception" to the shot-clock rule (NCAA 2-13.7a, instead of 2-13.6e) |
OOPS, my bad. Not a T (I was getting confused with when they wanted us to call a T on swinging elbows even with no contact). Also, on the "out of bounds" violation (I know it's a violation) I meant the same thing, just didn't word it as well as you did (exception to shot clock reset).
Thanks for the clarification. |
Punching the ball with a fist is another violation that could be committed by the defense, and would result in a shot clock reset.
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