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bob jenkins Wed Dec 08, 2004 10:03am

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Originally posted by Nevadaref
And yes in three-man the T has the 5 second count in the Lead's primary. Only the T and C have counts.
Do you have a reference for this?


thumpferee Wed Dec 08, 2004 10:17am

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Originally posted by joseph2493


If the count is in the lead's primary that lead should do the count [/B]
Reference please?

If L is watching the ball making 5 count, who is watching the post players ball side?

I have NEVER saw the Lead official counting! But then again, what do Div I NCAA officials know!

Nevadaref Thu Dec 09, 2004 04:40am

Quote:

Originally posted by thumpferee
Quote:

Originally posted by joseph2493


If the count is in the lead's primary that lead should do the count
Reference please?

If L is watching the ball making 5 count, who is watching the post players ball side?

I have NEVER saw the Lead official counting! But then again, what do Div I NCAA officials know! [/B]
thumper,
He is talking about 2-man crews, you are referencing DI NCAA which is 3-whistle. You are both right, but are not on the same page.

Nevadaref Thu Dec 09, 2004 04:49am

Quote:

Originally posted by bob jenkins
Quote:

Originally posted by Nevadaref
And yes in three-man the T has the 5 second count in the Lead's primary. Only the T and C have counts.
Do you have a reference for this?


Sure, Bob. 302 on page 48 of the Officials Manual. It says, "The Center or Trail official, who has a five-second closely guarded count in the frontcourt,..." Nowhere in the 3-official procedures is the Lead ever mentioned along with a 5-second closely guarded count.
To my knowledge the only 5 second count the Lead could have is during a throw-in.

ChuckElias Thu Dec 09, 2004 10:26am

Quote:

Originally posted by Nevadaref
302 on page 48 of the Officials Manual. It says, "The Center or Trail official, who has a five-second closely guarded count in the frontcourt,..."
Great catch, Nevada!! Thanks. I needed that to take to my Sunday meeting.

bob jenkins Thu Dec 09, 2004 03:53pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Nevadaref
Quote:

Originally posted by bob jenkins
Quote:

Originally posted by Nevadaref
And yes in three-man the T has the 5 second count in the Lead's primary. Only the T and C have counts.
Do you have a reference for this?


Sure, Bob. 302 on page 48 of the Officials Manual. It says, "The Center or Trail official, who has a five-second closely guarded count in the frontcourt,..." Nowhere in the 3-official procedures is the Lead ever mentioned along with a 5-second closely guarded count.
To my knowledge the only 5 second count the Lead could have is during a throw-in.

Thanks.

I still don't agree with it, though. ;)

If L and T are both watching the ball, who's watching all the other stuff in L's area and in T's area?


rockyroad Thu Dec 09, 2004 04:45pm

Quote:

Originally posted by bob jenkins
Quote:

Originally posted by Nevadaref
Quote:

Originally posted by bob jenkins
Quote:

Originally posted by Nevadaref
And yes in three-man the T has the 5 second count in the Lead's primary. Only the T and C have counts.
Do you have a reference for this?


Sure, Bob. 302 on page 48 of the Officials Manual. It says, "The Center or Trail official, who has a five-second closely guarded count in the frontcourt,..." Nowhere in the 3-official procedures is the Lead ever mentioned along with a 5-second closely guarded count.
To my knowledge the only 5 second count the Lead could have is during a throw-in.

I'm with you Bob...in NCAAW, when the L has the ball in their area (esp. out in the corner) they have to have the 5 second count...T will be watching the post players in that situation...

Thanks.

I still don't agree with it, though. ;)

If L and T are both watching the ball, who's watching all the other stuff in L's area and in T's area?




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