I've heard that too, that lead doesn't do the closely guarded count. Why is that? Particularly in the Lead's primary, let's say near baseline, just out side the lane line. If the Trail is counting too, who is watching the paint? (off-ball)

If the count is in the lead's primary that lead should do the count

This mechanic is only for 3-man. The C has off-ball.

If the lead has the ball in thier area, especially below the free throw extended, outside of the paint and the person is closely guarded and not making an attempt to shoot or go to the basket, yes you have a count. I usually drop it if they get by the defender and are heading toward the basket. You see this alot in 2-man.

A pass into the low post in L's primary in 3-person, the trail does the closely guarded count?

No, but the chances of the post player having the ball for more than a second or two are very low.

GHSA
 

In GA, we only count if the player with the ball is being ACTIVELY closely guarded. In other words, if I'm within 6 ft of the player with the ball but just standing there, we don't count. I have to be actively playing defense. Any other states out there have the same requirement?

Re: GHSA
 

In LA, we do the same, the defender must be guarding.

Which in my eyes means actively.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bob jenkins
[B]No, but the chances of the post player having the ball for more than a second or two are very low.

I disagree. I've always been taught that the lead NEVER counts. T has the count on L's side. This keeps the L from having to go out to the corner as you would in two man and keeps them focused on the lane area.

What is "actively?"
If the ball handler is just standing there, then I don't see any requirement other than being within 6 feet. Our association emphasized that we need to start counting when they've met the rule requirement to prevent the game from getting too rough.

According to strict NFHS rules, GA and LA are not correct. There is no requirement of "active" guarding.

And yes in three-man the T has the 5 second count in the Lead's primary. Only the T and C have counts.

First of all they have get legal guarding position.

They have to maintain and if they do I would consider that actively

Actively Guarding
 

Snaqwells,

Actively guarding means that the defensive player can not just be standing there within six feet. I know that in FED the only requirements are that the defender must be facing the player and within 6 ft. However, GHSA has its own mechanic. The defender must be playing defense. Just standing there looking at the player with the ball is not actively guarding, per GHSA. Some examples of actively guarding might be:

1. Extending a hand toward the player with the ball
2. Extending both hands out from the body to prevent a pass
3. Being right up on the player without contact of course

rwest and joseph2493:

Please read NFHS R4-S10 and NCAA R4-S11-A1 and A2. You will not find the word "actively" in these definitions. I find it hard to believe that a Georgia interpreter would use that word. And from my days as a member of the San Gabriel Valley Unit of the Southern Calf. Bkb. Off. Assn., I do not ever remember that word being used (Of course back then when a closely guarded situation occured, a jump ball was held to put the ball back into play).

MTD, Sr.

Mark, I understand
 

Mark,

I've read NFHS R4-S10 and I agree with you that ACTIVELY is not found anywhere in the rule book. But that's what we do here in GA. This is not coming from some interpreter but the GHSA itself.

Do you have a reference for this?

Reference please?

If L is watching the ball making 5 count, who is watching the post players ball side?

I have NEVER saw the Lead official counting! But then again, what do Div I NCAA officials know!

thumper,
He is talking about 2-man crews, you are referencing DI NCAA which is 3-whistle. You are both right, but are not on the same page.

Sure, Bob. 302 on page 48 of the Officials Manual. It says, "The Center or Trail official, who has a five-second closely guarded count in the frontcourt,..." Nowhere in the 3-official procedures is the Lead ever mentioned along with a 5-second closely guarded count.
To my knowledge the only 5 second count the Lead could have is during a throw-in.

Great catch, Nevada!! Thanks. I needed that to take to my Sunday meeting.

Thanks.

I still don't agree with it, though. ;)

If L and T are both watching the ball, who's watching all the other stuff in L's area and in T's area?