Confused

[Stan]

Originally posted by Kelvin green

If the person establishes legal guarding position, Both feet on floor

A) I'm having trouble with the both feet on the floor thing. Doesn't that infer being "set"?

B) Isn't a PCF if, while officiating the defense, we see that the offense initiates the contact.

Thanks, Stan

[justacoach]

Originally posted by Stan

A) I'm having trouble with the both feet on the floor thing. Doesn't that infer being "set"?

B) Isn't a PCF if, while officiating the defense, we see that the offense initiates the contact.

Thanks, Stan

Stan, the way I see it, there are two parts to the equation..
OBTAINING LGP where you must be facing, feet on the floor, and then MAINTAINING LGP. Once you have obtained LGP you earn the prerogatives of moving to maintain it.
We encourage and teach our players to take full advantage of the privilege to move once they have LGP. In a perfect world, all officials would be aware of the distinctions involved.

[Kelvin green]

Both feet on the floor does not mean set.

For example B1 is trying to get in front of A1 and jumps in front of A1. (There is a picture of this in the illustrated rule book) Remember No time and distance. so B1 jumps into the path of A1 (laterally so he is no closing distance) ...

1) Both feet hit the floor at same time. PC foul

2) One foot hits other is still im air B1 has not established LGP. Block


My experience over past years tells me that if the player is on the floor moving about and trying to play defense both feet are on the floor... They way both feet are not on floor is in a slide to try and cut off a player (most of the time it is a trip anyway)

I would caution on the "Offense Initiates Contact" as the reason to call a PCF. I believe this is a myth that you cannot substantiate by rule. An Offense player may be the one who forces contact but if the defense is not in position correctly foul may be on Defense. For example defense slides and one foot is OOB and there is contact, by rule the foul is on Defense. (unless there is something intentional or flagrant)

The best thing to do is know all the definitions. and call it by the rule.

Referee the Defense means you know where defense is, what they did, why they did it, and how! We all know what the offensive player is trying to do.. By refereeing the defense you will know if he had LGP on a PC/Block situation. You'll know how may steps they take on a pick...etc

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Stan
the both feet on the floor thing. Doesn't that infer being "set"?

It doesn't infer anything. You might infer something after reading it, if it implied something.

Just tidying up my grammatical corner of cyberspace.

[RookieDude]

Originally posted by justacoach
In a perfect world, all officials would be aware of the distinctions involved.

True.

Now if I may...
"In a perfect world, all coaches would_________"

I guess we can fill in the blank(s).

[Forksref]

I always look for shoulders square on the defense to determine if a legal guarding position has been established. Therefore, being "set" has no bearing on the play.