The "Plane Violation?" thread made me wonder about a player committing a foul while making a throw-in. A1, making a throw-in, reaches over the plane and pushes B1, or A1 uses his arm to clear out the arms of B1, or as in "Plane Violation?" A1, with one foot out of bounds, begins to step inbounds and commits a charging foul against B1. The ball is live, but there is no player control. I can't find any rule to suggest that A1, by touching B1, has attained an inbounds location. Is it just a common foul? I don't think it makes any differnce whether he has released the ball.

Rick

PS Will somebody please find a grammatical error so I will feel like I belong?

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Thanks, md. I'll sleep easier knowing someone is on grammar patrol when I'm off duty.

About the play, I have absolutely no clue. I suppose it's at least a throw-in violation. I don't know about the foul.

No books with me (I'm actually listening to my students practice for a winter concert), but I think I would go with a warning for breaking the plane first. If it happens again I'd think its a T. Interesting situation though, I'm looking forward to hearing everyone else on this one.

You have described a couple of different situations.

I am crossing my arms and calling an intentional foul in this case.


In this case I would call a common foul. There is no player control nor team control until the ball has been controled on court.

Ref in PA (RIP? RiPA?),

Thanks, and good point about the intentional.

Rick

There was a play in our CA study guide this year that had the defender fouling the thrower during a throw-in, but the thrower had extended his arms and the ball through the boundary plane into the inbounds side. The contact was on the arm of the thrower while attempting to legally steal the ball on the inbounds side of the boundary plane.
The ruling given was a common foul.

I would therefore also call a NONintentional foul on the thrower if he reached inbounds and fouled a defender during the throw-in. If he had not yet released the ball, I have PC, and don't award the bonus. This would be a great question to pose to the NFHS committee for an interpretation though.

A PC foul on a player who <b>doesn't</b> have player control? You may wanna re-think that one.

I think the "reach through and push" scenario should (and can) be called an intentional foul, the contact is not automatically an intentional foul (as in when the defender reaches across the plane and fouls the inbounder). (9-2 Penalty)

In the second situation, A1 is a player, the ball's live - common foul.