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Had this on the other night..A6 is sent by coach to be substitute for A1...A6 goes to table [very long table maybe 15-18 feet long with scorer in the middle and not much room between court and face of table] I am T. Ball goes OOB under basket along endline, I see A6 at end of table nearest to his coach...I whistle and beckon A6 into game...we get ready to inbound ball...L hands ball to B1 to inbound and table informs me that A6 did not report in..
I gave A6 a "T" for being an illegal substitute... When I beckoned A6 in I had not waited for table to buzz horn..many times table forgets to buzz..so if we see a sub at the table we just wave him in at the appropriate time... Should I have waited until table buzzed? Any other options? Comments appreciated. |
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That's why we have the big X on the floor in front of the table. Subs simply need to report to the table, then sit or squat next to the X. Only players at the X can come into the game when beckoned.
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There is a rule that states when an illegal sub becomes a legal player, but I can't remember it off the top of my head.
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I agree that I probably wouldn't assess the T (especially if I had beckoned them in), just remind the player & warn the head coach of the correct procedure. If it happened again I would penalize. Procedure for HS games in Oregon is we won't start the game until the X is down - athletic tape works just fine. I'll also tell coaches in the pregame to make sure their subs report in & wait by the X - otherwise they're not coming in. |
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There is a lot of good preventative stuff here (like not waiving substitutes in until they are at ... or really, really close to ... the X on the floor in front of the scorer), but I write to urge, URGE, that no official gives a technical foul to a player who was beckoned onto the court by an official. We may have issues with the table by doing that, but I cannot see any justification for penalizing the substitute-now-player.
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player was "at the table" and I guess I was thinking along the lines of: SECTION 2 SUBSTITUTE TECHNICAL A substitute shall not enter the court: ART. 1 . . . Without reporting to the scorer. ART. 2 . . . Without being beckoned by an official, except between quarters. PENALTY: (Arts. 1, 2) Two free throws plus ball for division-line throw-in. One foul for either or both requirements. Penalized if discovered before the ball becomes live. NOTE: A single flagrant technical foul or the second technical foul charged to a substitute results in disqualification of the offender to the team bench. here it doesn't say that once "beckoned in by an official the requirement to report is waived and null and void..player still must report.. |
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golfdesigner,
I'm just unwilling to call a T on a player for doing what I told him to do. If I told him to come in the game, I want him in *now* to get the game moving. So if I made the "mistake" of waving him in before he was able to chat with the scorer, I'm not going to penalize him for listening to me.
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Snaqwells, no argument, the sub had been sitting by the table for "a while" when I waived him in, he just went from bench to the table, didn't report, and just waited by the table, no argument that I would not penalize for something I told player to do.
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I'd say, in your case, he reported by simply being there.
Otherwise - I don't care what the table said - if I waved him in, he checked in in the process.
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When an official beckons a subsitute into the game, the official's actions trumps all other rules with regard to the substitute reporting to the Scorer. The substitute cannot be penalized for not reporting to the Scorer before the official beckons him into the game. MTD, Sr.
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