Re: Re: Re: Re: Another horsesh*t comment from WCB
 

Oh, I'm all over it JR...the goon squad has been sent out... [/B][/QUOTE]Maybe you shoulda sent the goof squad instead, Rock. Mighta been more appropriate. :D

Gary, Gary, Gary.....

You got voted off the island.

Now go away. Scat! Shoo, shoo!

Re: Re: Re: Sad for everyone involved!
 

Originally posted by BktBallRef

I did...and I haven't changed my mind...in fact, I still no idea as to what you're talking about because in the video mentioned above (and every other one I've seen), O'Neal is ON THE FLOOR. If you want to cite the time it took for him to leave the floor and get to the locker room as being OFF THE FLOOR, then you're right...there was a time he was OFF THE FLOOR...but he wasn't hitting anybody at that point. There were probably 6 people around him trying to carry him out.

You're right...those two thugs had just tried to tackle his friend and teammate, Artest. He decided to take action against 2 guys coming on the court for nothing but trouble and help his friend out. Hmm...I wonder what you would do if someone was being attacked on your team. I wonder what you would do if you were working a 3-person crew, things got hectic, and one of your crew members was attacked. If you aren't going to come to the rescue and try to help, I think you're crew members ought to know...because they may not want to work with you anymore.

Again, I've seen the tape at least 8 times now and O'Neal is nowhere to be found in the stands. I have 15+ minutes of footage and the only place where O'Neal can even be mistaken for being in the crowd is , again, when he is being shoved to the lockerroom.

You have a working relationship with Stern? I can't imagine how else you would be in a position to critique his writing ability. Nor why it's worth mentioning at all.

Seems simple minded to assume they will not be criminally charged. I imagine you have ample opportunity to degrade yourself.

Hmmmmm, I just checked the tape again that I linked above. It clearly shows O'Neal off the court, fighting, about half-way through it.

JR,

You crack me up man!!

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Peace

Pretty clear who the real men and the wannabes are around here, eh?

How will you be able to live with yourself after shying away from an internet discussion board challenge???

Your membership to the "Keyboard Kommando Unit of the Basement Dwelling Losers Club" has been revoked!

:rolleyes:

Yes, I thought you would be a bigger xxxxx than the guy who threw the beer. What a coward!


This post has not been ignored.

[Edited by mick on Nov 22nd, 2004 at 05:49 PM]

Windy is a very big man.
 

Wow,

You called someone a p@@@y for not talking you on in an internet forum?

Man, you must really be a tough guy? Remind me to be scared of you when you walk down the street. NOOOOTTTTTTT!!!!

Peace

Hmmmmm, I just checked the tape again that I linked above. It clearly shows O'Neal off the court, fighting, about half-way through it. [/QUOTE]

No, that's O'Neal getting escorted off the court.

No, that's O'Neal getting escorted off the court. [/QUOTE]

You need to look at the tape.

O'Neal hit a guy that came onto the court. He also went up into the stands to get protect his teammate and really did not hit anybody there until he was attacked from behind. Sorry, O'Neal was also escorted after the situation, but it was for mostly with fans coming onto the court.

Peace

Re: Re: Re: Re: Sad for everyone involved!
 

You're exactly right. I would come to the rescue and try to help. I would not run over and start pounding on the guy. That's exactly what SOME of the Pacers did when they went into the stands.

So let's not be so blind as to define what O'Neal did as rescuing.

You can like it or not, Stern gave these guys what they had coming to them. It's a done deal.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sad for everyone involved!
 

I do not think what any of us would do is relevant to this discussion. I agree they deserved suspension, but when many player that were suspended beside Artest, Jackson and O'Neal.

But for folks to say they would walk away if someone throws any object in your face or a friend of yours is in a fight you would just not do anything, is a bit much. I know that if I threw something at someone (liquid or an object) to a complete stranger, I would expect them to come at me and do something. And if they were with friends, I would expect their friends to get involved as well.

I think it is easy to say after seeing the tape, considering who was involved and expect we would do something totally different. I know as an official is someone came at me on the court and starting hitting me, it would be very difficult for me to not strike back. It would depend on who is around and how threatened I would feel at that time. Of course I would like to think I would just turn the other way, but I know I cannot say that with 100% certainty.

Peace

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sad for everyone involved!
 

It's not relevant. But IndyRef asked me what I would do in that situation. Then he tried to tell me that O'Neal was "rescuing" Artest. That was BS.

Brawl at the Water Fountain
 

Just a thought:

Lets say a bunch of employees at your place of employment got into an argument at the water fountain, coffee pot, or cafeteria.

Someone throws a liquid in another person's face...a brawl results.

I gotta tell ya...the people involved in the fight, (not the ones trying to break it up), the people actually swinging and hitting people...these people could only HOPE for just a day off without pay.

I don't know where you guys work...but at my place of employment, if someone decks another employee or customer that person will receive a "lifetime ban". Read FIRED!

So, IMO, these guys got off easy. One day to one year...that's laughable in the real world.

BTW...the fans involved, in the trespassing onto the court, should also receive the "lifetime ban"...IMO.

Rookie Dude,

This is the real world. These players cannot be fired from a contract, without having to pay all the remaining parts of that contract and penalties. Most people outside of sports do not have a contract that spans over years and years. And if you do, the people that decide not to honor the remaining part of that contract will have to pay something to get out of that contract. Unfortunately most of us are not under contract for millions of dollars to have that kind of protection.

But if you are in a union and someone fights with you at your work place, there are also several protections that you might have to save your job. Depending on the circumstances of the events, you could and would keep your job.

Lastly, the Pacers who actually employ these players are not taking a position that their players did much wrong here. They are supporting their players and feel that the actions of the fans are to blame. Remember this is the league suspending the players, not the Pacers.

Peace

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sad for everyone involved!
 

Well the great thing about this place or this country is that we can disagree. I consider O'Neal coming to the aid of his teammate and friend and blame him little for his actions.

Not everyone thinks that is BS. ;)

Peace

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sad for everyone involved!
 

Well, it may not be BS to everyone but it's d@mn sure a multimillion dollar mistake, a mistake I bet he never makes again. :)

When it's all said and done, we can agree or disagree. But his a$$ will still be sitting home for the next 25 games. ;)

Tony,

I am sure that crossed their mind when things were getting out of hand.

Peace

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!! :D :D :D

Re: Oh, my!!!!
 

They can let him back in when his album is done.

It's an insult to idiots everywhere to say that. :)

Z

If I am an idiot, you have to be the biggest buffoon I know if you did not know that.

Did you get your GED yet?

Peace

"Anytime a fan touches you, you have the right to beat the hell out of them. I'm a man, and I'm not gonna let anybody disrespect me."

Good to see Charles Barkley hasn't changed a bit :D

The numbers I put out earlier were I guess a little low. Artests was I think somewhat excessive, but he definitly deserved the steepest suspension; maybe 30. I think his recent past of good behavior over the last 2 years should have been taken into account. It's sad all the good he has done recently was thrown away for 3 or 4 punches on beligerent fans. Jackson and everyone else on the Pacers and Detroit got I think fair suspensions; except for Jermaine. I have looked feveriously at the tapes and still see his only strike being on the floor against a fan that still had potential to cause grievous bodily harm. Yeah he hit him when he was tring to get up, when you need to nutreulize someone that is the best time. I see him bear hug, or try to move someone, while he is still on the court, maybe to get to a teammate, maybe to help clear the way for the people who need to get to the injured old lady (not a strike). and the only other time I see a number 7 is when he advances a couple steps toward the side of the rope line, not really touching anyone, moments before getting loads of things thrown at him. So I still stand by my previous 5-10 games for O'neal; the number he was given is just not adding up (especially with very little, if any, Hx of violence).

True losers
 

I just got done looking at the Pacers and the Pistons web sites. If you do this, you will know where I am going. THe Pacers site has about 5 or 6 pieces about the incident. THe detroit site (homepage), zero!! The true losers are the fans of the NBA and especially those of Indiana. Detroit's web site is almost smug in not even having one little thing about potentially the worst ever sports brawl, that happened at there arena; Detroit as a city and the Piston's Organization have gotten the best deal (Their main competitor pretty much out of it). How can this be! The city, John Green have basically given any crazy fan the green light to helping out his team by trying to incite a riot.

I just hope that we as officials can do something to help curb this and the seeming decline of Sportsmanship in all sports by "nipping these things in the but!" thank you andy griffith show.

Actually, it was kinda sad, Mike. No player ejections, either, I think.
http://images.usatoday.com/sports/co...ina-clemso.jpg

I saw the film on this one. Just out-and-out kicked the player in the head when he was down.

Moved from the other thread.
 

Why do people keep comparing apples and oranges? This is not your job we are talking about. This is not my job we are talking about. I do not know of any job other than a sporting event where you can be insulted in every way imaged and no one would be dragged out by the police. Better yet, do you know any jobs outside of a bar drink beer excessively? I know in an office job, you would not be dealing with individuals that can drink and call you all kind of names and that is accepted.

Did I say he did? Stop putting your own narrow minded point of view on what I am saying. Artest has already been punished and could face charges. He will get what is coming to him, but the fan started the chaos.

This is not about being disrespected. This is about having something thrown at you and being hit in the face, which is assault by the way. I think I would not expect anyone to just take being assaulted lying down (no pun intended). This was not the first time and it will not be the last time a fight will happen at a sporting event. The other incidents that happen in the past were fans putting themselves into the mix with players. I agree that Artest crossed a line, but it was not like he just went up into the stands without provocation.

This is not about what fits the action, this is about what other action do you expect. If I throw something like a beer in anyone's face, I do not expect they are going to walk away. Maybe that is the reason I have never thrown a liquid at anyone. It does not matter if their behavior is right or wrong, I just know not to go there. I know that action will bring either violence to me or someone around me. I also know that if I say certain things to people, I might have to defend myself as well. I have never said that Artest did not cross a line, but the fan crossed one as well. I at least understand the actions of Artest. I have no idea why anyone would throw something sitting in the stands.

This is not just about an opinion, this is about reality. We might want people to behave in a certain way, but I know not to do things that will provoke a fight. I cannot say and do anything to someone at expect they are just going to sit there and do nothing. If that is what you expect, tell me how it goes the time you throw a beer in someone's face. Call me from the hospital or jail when that happens.

Peace

I agree that those fans need a good --- whippen! However, just as I can't charge after someone who cuts me off in traffic, he can't go into the stands. I gotta believe that if he would have given security a chance, they would have handled the perpetraitor. I hope they invent a punishment for him. Something good so that every other fan will reconsider before they throw debris. Artest and the others got what they deserve, now lets see the fans get theirs.

Cutting someone off in traffic is not the same as going after someone that threw something in your direction and it hits you in the face.

But I know that if I give someone the middle finger after getting cut off, they might react in a way that could be violent. That is why I do not do those kind of things. You do not know the person you are dealing with and their morals.

Peace

JR - I think we understand why Artest did what he did but the bottom line is.... Provoked or unprovoked, a player can NOT go into the stands and hit the fans - NOT for any reason PERIOD!

We know that what that fan did can be considered assault and what he did was idiotic, moranic and probably a crime - but as a player, coach or official in the NBA, you CAN'T cross that line (go into the stands) and take matters into your own hands.

Agree??? Now lets end this neverending discussion because we are all starting to repeat ourselves.

VERY WELL PUT

Now when did I say they could? Please show me one line that I said it was completely justified in his behavior? All I have said is that this situation is like Murphy's Law. If you do something violent (throwing an object at someone) you should expect a similar and opposite reaction directed back at you. If players feel threatened, they will and have reacted.

Well guess what, they did. And many other players said they might do the same thing. And the NBA might lose this battle and find out that they are responsible from a liability standpoint if they do not protect players from unruly fans. You can say what they cannot do, but they did. And if a fan throws something at someone, I would not be surprised it might just happen again. Maybe not to the extent of Artest, but some action might be taken. Let us not forget there was an individual that threw a chair and it was not an NBA player. There is a lot of blame to go around. That is all I am saying in the first place.

Everybody wants to talk about what the players should do, but I have not heard anyone tell me of a job where fans can throw things at you or say things to you and that seems to be OK.


True dat!!

Peace

TO CONTINUE BEATING A DEAD HORSE:

The Players Union is garbage. They sit back and collect their dues and really offer minimal guidance to the players. Then when issues come up, they cry foul. Why don't they get off their hands and provide some security specifically around the benches.

I agree with the other posts that the alcahol abuse is a problem. Without it and it's profits, players would not get these huge contracts as I just don't see fans drinking 6-10 sodas at the game. Now, because they have to cut the contracts down, here comes the Players Union again.

In addition to fines and jail time, the fans who were involved need to have some sort of No Tresspassing Laws invoked on them which would keep them away from ALL amature and professional sporting events.

Comments on Artest;
don't know about the rest of you on this board, but +$5 mil sounds like alot of money, if I had to make a decision, I'd choose to keep my cool and not jepordize it.

There are things we all know we could do at home, work, out in public or on the court which could insite conflict. For example, we have many occasions to show up a player or coach but we choose to take the high road. We take the high road because we love this game, we take the high road because we don't want any trouble, we take the high road because we still want to be paid our $ for that game, we take the high road because we know it's the right thing to do. If a player expects to be paid the big bucks and expects people to buy his jerseys and expects people to cheer for his hustle, expects to use his notoriaty he has earned from this sport, then he has to make smarter decisions.

That's all I've got to say about that.
(for now)

This is about having something thrown at you and being hit in the face, which is <font color = red>assault</font> by the way.
[/B][/QUOTE]It's not assault in Michigan. It's "<b>battery</b>", which is a misdemeanour.

http://www.detnews.com/2004/pistons/.../d07-13505.htm

Rut, you must be joking. The players will never slaughter their cash cow. I want to see how many pro games Artest plays if he sues the NBA for "allowing" the fans to engage him in a deleterious way. This will go away and money will be paid to the fans to keep this from getting any bigger than it is. Big business will take over and all this will merely be a 3 day blip unless criminal charges are brought against the players. Teams will disengage from those players while court is in session. Kobe taught the owners how to handle that. PR spin and personal agents will earn their money and smooth everything over. Heck, look at Artest's 11 minute interview on MSN. He looks contrite and accepting. You won't see much argument coming from him. He knows (now) that he screwed up. By the way, the link to Artest's interview has been bumped down by a mother who cut her own daughter's arms off.
Bottom line is that some players forgot what they were supposed to be doing out there and got caught up in themselves. In this litigious day and age, money will exchange hands and we'll move on to the poor girl now with no arms.

Artest is going to lose $4 million dollars because of what is basically what started with the behavior of the fans. It is also clear the Artest is really not that interested in playing basketball and might want to sue to get damages to recover what he will lose.


You seem to want to make this about Artest. There were other players at this game. There is the NBAPA that is out there going to fight this issue. There are some labor issues that will come more to the surface over time. There is talk about a lockout and issues based on the CBA.

Money will exchange hands. It might be in ways you are not aware of. Of course there are fans that can sue, but so can players. The Pistons might have to worry about this coming from all sides.

Peace

I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but how exactly do you know this? Have you been a member or employee of the Players Association? I'm not being a smart-guy, I'm genuinely curious if you have some insight into this or whether this is just your own perception.

NBA is history
 

No Artest is going to lose his millions because he made a horrible choice. As ESPN has now clarified, he even went after the wrong fan which shows that he had no idea who actually threw something.

I would not doubt it that fan sues him for any money he might make with his CD?

And now this morning he goes on NBC and tries to blame it on Wallace and that he undersands because Ben had lost a family member, and then tries to say well I lost a family member also. Say what?

Ron should just hush and take the line Flip Wilson said best, "the devil made me do it."

Continuing on its current course, I see the NBA following suit with hockey down the road or turning into a European league. That's where the best basketball is played these days it seems.

Thanks
David

Most employee contracts have exceptions for violent or criminal behavior that gives the employer the right to cancel the contract without renumeration.

Camron, I don't know why you would even mention this. If they cancelled his contract he could go overseas and play less games for any money he has lost (probably tax free) and then come back next year and someone will pay him. It might be sad but he will not be treated like Kermit Washington.

Re: Moved from the other thread.
 

JR, I seemed to have offended you in some way. For that I apologize.

My previous analogy about the work place, in my opinion, was appropriate. What I was attempting to express is that there seems to be a double standard. If you or I did the same thing we would be punished more severly. We see it all the time. I can't remember her name or the olympic sport she was playing in(I believe it was synchronized swimming) but an athlete for this past summer olympics was found guilty of vehicle homicide and was allowed to defer her punishment until after the olympics. If it was you or I we would be serving our time right after sentencing. I couldn't get a delay due to a project I was working on. All I want is for athletes to be held to the same standard as you or I. I don't mind the amount of money they make. That's the capitalist system at work. They are being paid what the market supports. I just want them to be accountable just like you or I.

Maybe this analogy will be more to your liking. Sprewell got suspended for a year for choking his coach (P.J. Carlisimo). It then got bumped down to 68 games. I think what Artest did deserved as stiff a penalty.

Forgive me if you've answered this already in one of the numberous posts on this topic, but do you disagree with the
length of Artest's suspension? If so, what do you think would be fair?

And I agree with you that the fan crossed the line and should be punished. Did you see him on Fox News last night? He seemed somewhat smug. In my opinion he's guilty of assault. Not for throwing the beer. I can't see that as an assault. But the punches he threw to the back of Artest's head while Artest was being held, was cowardly.

Respectfully,
Randall

[Edited by rwest on Nov 24th, 2004 at 07:47 AM]

Althought I wish I was a former member, I have no first hand experience. Just my opinion, you never really hear much unless one of their idiots has done something and the league is initiating a punishment. Then they step in because it will affect their revenue. Again, JMO

I disagree
 

I think Artest will be just like Washington and Maxwell and others who have crossed the lines never to be the same force again.

I think the problem Artest will have is the total lack of respect from his peers. The NBA is an elite club, but they like to keep it a private club. Lots and lots of things go on that we the fans will never know. Artest broke the unwritten code and exposed the players for who they really are - just normal people (with lots of money).

But as Kobe crossed the line and lost respect of his coach and teammates, I think Artest will face the same challenge.

Charles Barkeley was a good player, (maybe even a great player) but he was never able to outlive his image as a trouble maker. Don't you know that he is really squirming with all of the video this week of him spitting on fans, and cursing fans. (Charles had been able to put that behind him the last few years as an analyst - but now he is again being exposed - NBA players don't like that since they have such a sheltered life)

That's my take, thanks
David

Dunk tank clown.
Geek at carnival in Shoot the Geek paintball game.

Nice metaphor, Jim.
:)
mick

Re: Re: Moved from the other thread.
 

You have not offended me. It takes a lot to offend me. If that took place, I would tell you. Trust me on that one. ;)

Double standard? Our job has nothing to do with the job or a professional athlete. These athletes are in the entertainment field ultimately. They do not work in the same environment. We do not have thousands of people watching us and have a radio and TV shows dedicated to your stats of our daily work. They are not the same thing at all.


I think you need to look around the community. There are people all the time that do not serve sentences until a certain time or a specific situation is over. The Olympics were about 2 weeks. Hire you a good lawyer and you might be in the same situation. I have known students (not athletes) get sentenced and the judge allowed their term to get over before they served their sentence. So I am not sure where you live and what your experiences are, but I have seen the average Joe in certain situations have to wait before they serve a sentence.

My opinion is completely irrelevant to this discussion that we have been having. I do not care what his suspension was really. I am not talking to say Artest should not have been suspended. I knew the man was going to get suspended and I suspected that what he got was going to be the case. My question is what the prosecutor is going to do to the fans that did things outside of the law. David Stern has a right to control the conduct of the players in the league. I also think he needs to protect those players as well.

I do not care what his attitude is on an interview. The man reacted to someone throwing something at him. I would expect or be surprised in anyone did not react in a similar situation. He also said he has had things thrown at him before. I would expect anyone to behave that way regardless of their upbringing and culture. Many people can come here and tell me that they would do nothing, but I have been in enough bars when I was in college and saw people react to confrontation with physical violence. They were all colors and seem to have different backgrounds. And I have seen people have things like a beer thrown in their direction and I did not see anyone walking away. I do not give a damn what his profession is or what circumstances of why someone threw something in from the stands at him. I just was not surprised by his behavior and this will happen again if the authorities do not take action.

Peace

David B, I disagree with you. For one, I don't think Artest has lost the respect of his peers. Although it has caused some problems don't think that some of the other players aren't glad that some of those fans took a beat down. Kermit Washington also sucker punched Rudy T, at least to some people. I don't think he will be treated the same.

my point exactly
 

That was my thinking exactly. If that's the attitude of the NBA players and I think it is for some of them, then the league is in deep trouble.

The slogan its Fan nnnnn tastic was so popular because that was the belief of the players in the 80's and 90's

As with our other sports, basketball has become all about money. Forget who pays the bills.

Alright..I have been reading and watching all this stuff and it is time for some honesty here. Now, Artest should not have gone into the stands, that is a given, and he deserves whatever punishment the NBA deems fit, but lets look at some things here.

I wish everyone would stop talking about how Artest was hitting people in the stands. WATCH THE TAPE. When Artest runs into the crowd and gets to the wrong guy he never gets a punch off. He tries to grab the guy, the guy falls down and Artest is grabbed before he can get a punch off. The FIRST punch that Artest throws comes after he starts getting punched in the back of the head by the idiot who actually threw the cup.

If anyone deserves a season ban it is Jackson who just went up there swinging at anything that moved.

Where was the security? If they were doing their job, the cup thrower would have been grabbed before Artest could even get off the scorers table.

I was watching the game on ESPN as it happened, twice during the telecast the announcers mentioned that the Pacers were very unhappy about what was going on with the fans behind their bench. Pacer officials complained the the Palace officials about it, and they did nothing. So don't go on about how they should have let security handle the fans. They tried that earlier and the Palace did nothing about it. I may not be an security guru, but you would think that in an NBA game, a good place to have some security would be at the players bench areas, especially after they were having problems with it all game.

Referees. Although I suppose we do have some options.

Are you people serious? You can't control yourself at $5 million a season? Pay me $5 mil a season and I stay off the court, PERIOD!!! I don't care who throws what at me. If Artest wants to fight, send him to Fallujah. Our boys and girls over there would love to have him, as soon as they get adjusted to the fact that he only fights smaller people than himself. And some of them they would love his rap music. I say, let's bring morality (decency) back into everything, starting with sports. Looks like that's what most of the USA wants anyway, based upon the recent election. And we wonder why our players, ages 5-20, behave as they do? Perfect example, Artest's father thinks his son is being mistreated. What a surprise that Artest turned out the way he did. Let's not forget his son's track record, he's a proven piece of cr*p, over and over. I'm sorry, I must be missing something here.

[Edited by robertclasalle on Nov 24th, 2004 at 05:37 PM]

Oh my goodness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm in the military and I cannot make negative comments about our president but OH MY GOODNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Robert, do you really think this?

Martial Artest
 

The more we learn about this guy, the more we realize he's actually crazy.

He showed up at practices in a bathrobe and steve madden loafers. Applied for a job at circuit city in the off season...
http://www.carlosloozer.com/martiala...rcuitcity2.jpg

His today show interview should have let everyone know just how loonie he really is.

http://www.carlosloozer.com/martiala...vswallace2.jpg

[QUOTE]Originally posted by robertclasalle
You can't control yourself at $5 million a season? Pay me $5 mil a season and I stay off the court, PERIOD!!!


Then why would we pay you $5 mil?

Re: Martial Artest
 

No offense, but those aren't even close to being funny. Circuit City? :confused: You need better writers.

Re: Re: Martial Artest
 

Chuck, you are now the judge of what is and isn't funny? I'm not sure it was Artest, but I do remember hearing of a highly paid athlete who did apply for a job at Circuit City last summer. Mighta been Artest... can't recall.

Z

Re: Re: Re: Martial Artest
 

Yes. Yes, I am now the "Official Judge of Funny". My title will be listed at the top of the Forum page along with the moderators. All jokes will be submitted to me in triplicate via email before posting to the board. Jokes or humorous anecdotes that are not acceptable will be returned to the sender for revision.

New guidelines include the following: Jokes that involve referees and Foot Locker are acceptable. Jokes that involve players and Circuit City are not. :rolleyes:

Did you honestly think the pictures were funny? Please.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Martial Artest
 

It doesn't matter what I think. You are the judge of funny. :eek: I should have asked you first. But yeah, if Ron Artest was the famous, rich athlete that actually did apply at Circut City last summer, then that picture is kinda funny, IMHO. (but only if the judge of funny thinks it is too)

Z

Re: Re: Re: Re: Martial Artest
 

If we submit via email why do you need them in triplicate? :D

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Martial Artest
 

I knew somebody would catch that ;)