Lane Space Violation

[Jimgolf]

All right, I'm missing something here. 2005 NFHS rule book: 8-4-b: The first marked lane spaces shall be occupied by opponents of the free thrower.

In this situation, all opponents of the free thrower are occupying a first marked lane space.

Why would this be a violation? Does anyone believe that the spirit of the rules would allow the team to continue with one player, then penalize the one player for not being two players?

By the way, we had a game two years ago where all the players for a team fouled out. The last player fouled out on an offensive foul with 1:10 or so left and his team up by 8. He just had to score another basket. I guess he never heard of the one corner delay offense.

No, I didn't ref that game. And the coach didn't even complain about unequal calls. They were all pretty obvious.

[rockyroad]

Originally posted by Jimgolf

By the way, we had a game two years ago where all the players for a team fouled out. The last player fouled out on an offensive foul with 1:10 or so left and his team up by 8. He just had to score another basket. I guess he never heard of the one corner delay offense.

No, I didn't ref that game. And the coach didn't even complain about unequal calls. They were all pretty obvious.

Are you kidding?? What level, and how many players did they start with????

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Jimgolf
In this situation, all opponents of the free thrower are occupying a first marked lane space.

Not all the opponents. Just all the opponents who are still eligible to play.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Nope, it's just a "what if" question. And it's got some differing answers so far.

What's your's?

I don't have one! That's why I'm stalling...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by rainmaker

This happened to you last night? Are is this an anticipatory question? [/B]

Nope, it's just a "what if" question. And it's got some differing answers so far.

What's your's? [/B][/QUOTE]

I don't have one! That's why I'm stalling... [/B][/QUOTE]Not good enough, Woman! What's your answer? Gonna wrap this one up soon.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by jritchie
i believe it would be a violation and they would shoot until they made both free throws... But not for sure...just going by what the rules say... would hate to have a game like that!!

The FED ruling is that since Team A can only put one player in the required free throw marked lane space, it CANNOT be penalized. Ergo, no violation. Team B still can't occupy the space either.

The FED issued this interpretation last year also, but it never made the case book. If you never read it on their web site, oh well......

http://www.nfhs.org/scriptcontent/va...Category_ID=29

Again, click on the above, look up "Rules Interpretations Release Date: 11/7/03" near the bottom of the left-hand column and click on it.... and read Situation 2.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by BushRef
Under that same logic, if the team that only has one eligible player left is throwing the ball in, are you going to allow them to throw it in and be the first to touch the ball untouched once they have established themselves inbounds?

Believe it or not, Bush, I had that exact same thought as I was typing my "thought" previously. I think it's a pretty good point. Here's my rationale for my answer.

In the FT scenario, it's not possible for Team A comply with the rules of the FT. It's simply not possible for one player to fill both spaces.

In the throw-in scenario, however, it's quite possible for Team A to complete the throw-in without committing the violation you describe. All A1 has to do is throw the ball off a defender.

In the first case, since it's impossible to comply with the rule, it would be wrong to penalize the violation. In the second case, since it is possible to comply with all the throw-in rules, it is reasonable to penalize any violation.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Nope, it's just a "what if" question. And it's got some differing answers so far.

What's your's?

I don't have one! That's why I'm stalling... [/QUOTE]Not good enough, Woman! What's your answer? Gonna wrap this one up soon. [/QUOTE]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
The FED ruling is that since Team A can only put one player in the required free throw marked lane space, it CANNOT be penalized. Ergo, no violation. Team B still can't occupy the space either.

That's what I would have said... uh.... yea....

[Nevadaref]

JR,
Is there some reason that you are going back to last year's interps and posting these questions now?
Are you just miffed that some of these plays did not make the 04-05 Case Book?
I'm just curious about your motivation.

PS 9.11.4 IS in this year's Case Book.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Nevadaref
JR,
Is there some reason that you are going back to last year's interps and posting these questions now?

Yup, I still think that it's a good question- even a year later.