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Old Mon Nov 01, 2004, 12:15pm
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This was a 7th grade girl’s basketball game. The ball was thrown in bounds under the basket in the back court (no defenders nearby). The player after taking a few dribbles somehow lost the ball and it started to rollout of bounds. Before the ball was out of bounds her coach called time out and my partner granted the time out. The opposing coach complained saying that she has to have possession before a time out can be granted. What is the ruling on this and where would I find it in the rules book?

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Old Mon Nov 01, 2004, 12:21pm
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This was a 7th grade girl’s basketball game. The ball was thrown in bounds under the basket in the back court (no defenders nearby). The player after taking a few dribbles somehow lost the ball and it started to rollout of bounds. Before the ball was out of bounds her coach called time out and my partner granted the time out. The opposing coach complained saying that she has to have possession before a time out can be granted. What is the ruling on this and where would I find it in the rules book?

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A1 must have player control of the ball at the time that Coach A requests a timeout.

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This was a 7th grade girl’s basketball game. The ball was thrown in bounds under the basket in the back court (no defenders nearby). The player after taking a few dribbles somehow lost the ball and it started to rollout of bounds. Before the ball was out of bounds her coach called time out and my partner granted the time out. The opposing coach complained saying that she has to have possession before a time out can be granted. What is the ruling on this and where would I find it in the rules book?

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improper time out given by the official- an interrupted dribble does not have player control.

As for what you do once the time out is granted- talk it over with your partner. Grant the time out go with the arrow
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Old Mon Nov 01, 2004, 12:52pm
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Grant the time out. Tell opposing coach you made a mistake. At the end of the time out give it back to the team that called the time out and play on.
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Grant the time out. Tell opposing coach you made a mistake. At the end of the time out give it back to the team that called the time out and play on.
I have a better plan:

Don't grant the timeout. After the ball rolls OOB ask the requesting coach if he still wants the time out. Give the ball to the other team regardless of his answer.
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Old Mon Nov 01, 2004, 01:17pm
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This was a 7th grade girl’s basketball game. The ball was thrown in bounds under the basket in the back court (no defenders nearby). The player after taking a few dribbles somehow lost the ball and it started to rollout of bounds. Before the ball was out of bounds her coach called time out and my partner granted the time out. The opposing coach complained saying that she has to have possession before a time out can be granted. What is the ruling on this and where would I find it in the rules book?

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A1 must have player control of the ball at the time that Coach A requests a timeout.

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Hmmm...using your statement above,if A1 had passed the ball to A3 and the coach requested the time-out while the pass was in the air, you aren't going to grant it?
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Old Mon Nov 01, 2004, 01:35pm
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That is correct
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Old Mon Nov 01, 2004, 02:43pm
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Grant the time out. Tell opposing coach you made a mistake. At the end of the time out give it back to the team that called the time out and play on.
I have a better plan:

Don't grant the timeout. After the ball rolls OOB ask the requesting coach if he still wants the time out. Give the ball to the other team regardless of his answer.
If you blew the whistle because he called the time out I think you are obligated to grant it. Your only other "out" is an "inadvertent whistle" but I still think you would have to give it back to the team that originally had the ball. There's "more justice" in what you're proposing above but I don't, in my opinion think, it's correct.
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A1 must have player control of the ball at the time that Coach A requests a timeout.
Hmmm...using your statement above,if A1 had passed the ball to A3 and the coach requested the time-out while the pass was in the air, you aren't going to grant it?
I'm not either. Are you, rocky?
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Old Mon Nov 01, 2004, 03:20pm
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As for what you do once the time out is granted- talk it over with your partner. Grant the time out go with the arrow
Why would you go to the arrow?

While the TO should not have been granted because there was no PC, there was team control. This is Team A's ball.

rocky50, player control at the time of the reqest is required. Your partner should not have granted the TO. But once he blew the whistle, it's too late.
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A1 must have player control of the ball at the time that Coach A requests a timeout.
Hmmm...using your statement above,if A1 had passed the ball to A3 and the coach requested the time-out while the pass was in the air, you aren't going to grant it?
I'm not either. Are you, rocky?
Nope...but you know there's lots of us out there who would, and do, and shouldn't...just checking!
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As for what you do once the time out is granted- talk it over with your partner. Grant the time out go with the arrow
Why would you go to the arrow?

While the TO should not have been granted because there was no PC, there was team control. This is Team A's ball.

rocky50, player control at the time of the reqest is required. Your partner should not have granted the TO. But once he blew the whistle, it's too late.
as I think about it- since the time out was granted- there was team control.......... partner must have seen the coach yell for a time out before the interrupted dribble...... I or he simply make an error... ok team A keeps the ball.
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Grant the time out. Tell opposing coach you made a mistake. At the end of the time out give it back to the team that called the time out and play on.
I have a better plan:

Don't grant the timeout. After the ball rolls OOB ask the requesting coach if he still wants the time out. Give the ball to the other team regardless of his answer.
If you blew the whistle because he called the time out I think you are obligated to grant it. Your only other "out" is an "inadvertent whistle" but I still think you would have to give it back to the team that originally had the ball. There's "more justice" in what you're proposing above but I don't, in my opinion think, it's correct.
I was just trying to say don't screw it up to begin with and you won't have any problem.

But if you screw it up the team in control gets the ball after the inadvertent whistle. And the timeout in this case.
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Old Mon Nov 01, 2004, 10:00pm
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This was a 7th grade girl’s basketball game. The ball was thrown in bounds under the basket in the back court (no defenders nearby). The player after taking a few dribbles somehow lost the ball and it started to rollout of bounds. Before the ball was out of bounds her coach called time out and my partner granted the time out. The opposing coach complained saying that she has to have possession before a time out can be granted. What is the ruling on this and where would I find it in the rules book?

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A1 must have player control of the ball at the time that Coach A requests a timeout.

MTD, Sr.
Hmmm...using your statement above,if A1 had passed the ball to A3 and the coach requested the time-out while the pass was in the air, you aren't going to grant it?

Yes, you are absolutely correct. I would not grant Coach A's request for a timeout.

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sorry coach, you gotta have the ball to get a time out. he probably knew that and was just testing you. if you ain't cheatin, you aint trying.
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