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Old Thu Oct 28, 2004, 06:32am
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I am confused, test question #79...
"If B1 scores and then commits a throw-in plane violation, following the team warning, Team A will retain the privilege of making the throw-in from anywhere along the end line."

That should be false should it not? The throw-in plane violation after the team warning results in a Technical Foul doesn't it? The tech FTs are administered and the resulting throw-in is from division line opposite the table..
They would not retain the privilege of running the end line.

What am I missing here?
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Old Thu Oct 28, 2004, 06:41am
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I am confused, test question #79...
"If B1 scores and then commits a throw-in plane violation. Following the team warning, Team A will retain the privilege of making the throw-in from anywhere along the end line."

That should be false should it not? The throw-in plane violation after the team warning results in a Technical Foul doesn't it? The tech FTs are administered and the resulting throw-in is from division line opposite the table..
They would not retain the privilege of running the end line.

What am I missing here?
Typical test NFHS verbiage. Could be a l'il clearer.Correct answer is true. This particular throw-in plane violation resulted in a warning, and that warning is then followed by the rest of the penalty for the plane violation- a repeat throw-in by any A player along the end line. Iow, team B did not have a recorded warning when they committed the plane violation; they committed a plane violation that resulted in a warning AND a repeat throw-in.

The amended question should probably read as above.

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Oct 28th, 2004 at 07:44 AM]
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Old Thu Oct 28, 2004, 06:45am
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Exclamation Well written test question

I see it now, the warning was for this violation of the throw-in plane not a previous violation, then A would retain the right to run the baseline...

Thanks for the quick response.
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Old Thu Oct 28, 2004, 08:06am
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Originally posted by Stripes13
I am confused, test question #79...
"If B1 scores and then commits a throw-in plane violation. Following the team warning, Team A will retain the privilege of making the throw-in from anywhere along the end line."

That should be false should it not? The throw-in plane violation after the team warning results in a Technical Foul doesn't it? The tech FTs are administered and the resulting throw-in is from division line opposite the table..
They would not retain the privilege of running the end line.

What am I missing here?
Typical test NFHS verbiage. Could be a l'il clearer.Correct answer is true. This particular throw-in plane violation resulted in a warning, and that warning is then followed by the rest of the penalty for the plane violation- a repeat throw-in by any A player along the end line. Iow, team B did not have a recorded warning when they committed the plane violation; they committed a plane violation that resulted in a warning AND a repeat throw-in.

The amended question should probably read as above.

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Oct 28th, 2004 at 07:44 AM]
Unfortunately, JR, the first part of what you wrote is not a sentence. It is definitely true though that the NFHS wording is unclear.
The NFHS should have written, "If B1 scores and then commits a throw-in plane violation, Team A will retain the privilege of making the throw-in from anywhere along the end line following the team warning."
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Old Thu Oct 28, 2004, 08:57am
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that's the problem with NFHS

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by Stripes13
I am confused, test question #79...
"If B1 scores and then commits a throw-in plane violation. Following the team warning, Team A will retain the privilege of making the throw-in from anywhere along the end line."

That should be false should it not? The throw-in plane violation after the team warning results in a Technical Foul doesn't it? The tech FTs are administered and the resulting throw-in is from division line opposite the table..
They would not retain the privilege of running the end line.

What am I missing here?
Typical test NFHS verbiage. Could be a l'il clearer.Correct answer is true. This particular throw-in plane violation resulted in a warning, and that warning is then followed by the rest of the penalty for the plane violation- a repeat throw-in by any A player along the end line. Iow, team B did not have a recorded warning when they committed the plane violation; they committed a plane violation that resulted in a warning AND a repeat throw-in.

The amended question should probably read as above.

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Oct 28th, 2004 at 07:44 AM]
Unfortunately, JR, the first part of what you wrote is not a sentence. It is definitely true though that the NFHS wording is unclear.
The NFHS should have written, "If B1 scores and then commits a throw-in plane violation, Team A will retain the privilege of making the throw-in from anywhere along the end line following the team warning."
I agree the biggest problem with the NFHS tests are the wording. They try to be tricky with the questions, but in doing so they completely confuse the readers.

Most of the questions that I miss are simply because I was in a hurry and did not read the question properly, not that I did not know the rule or ruling.

This is especially tough on young officials or new officials because after a few years and from different sports, you learn that you have to read the questions
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Old Fri Oct 29, 2004, 11:36am
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In defense of the NFHS here... ( I am not a big fan of some of their test writing capabilities) However they tried to put this is sequential order.

B1 scores
B1 commits plane violation (read this as delay of game)
There is a warning (reinforces delay of game)
Team A can run baseline.

They are obviously testing our knowledge of the "A can run" provisions.

I would have liked a semi colon before following but most of the time we read more into questions than they want. Now there are always a couple of questions that you need you MA in English to get right but forget those...
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