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mick Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:57am

Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
What about the horse his ego rode in on? :D
I think the horse is done.
JR said it was "rein in" there today.

Goose Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:03am

One final thought
 
Savaahnty,

Thanks. I was not personally attacking anyone. I was merely trying to point out what a casual observer's impressions were after reading 80 plus entries at one time.

In the end, as others have indicated, things like this should be covered in the pregame. And if your Referee does not bring it up, my only advice is to bring it up yourself.

As I said, Chuck and I have worked together and I have complete trust in his abiltiy and judgement, and will concede in this matter, just as I am sure he would do with me.

As we talked about this last night, I would ask any of the officials here, what motive would possess your partner to change this call from a 3 to a 2?

Is he/she trying to embarass you in front of, a. the crowd, b. the coach(es), c. the observer?

Is he/she simply a jackass causing trouble?

Is he/she a new official that really doesn't know any better?

Is he/she putting themselves on the line of fire becasue they have seen something different than you and simply want to get it right, regardless of how it makes the team look?

I ask all of you, really, what possible motivation could I have to change Chuck's call in this case, other than the fact that I have definite knowledge that something is amiss? And that my friends is where the rubber meets the road IMO. I trust my partner. I trust him to bale me out if need be, just as I would return the favor if the sitation warrants it.

So, what motivation could possibly make me want to stop play and correct a scoring situation?

I'm out...goose

rainmaker Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:52am

Quote:

Originally posted by mick
Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
What about the horse his ego rode in on? :D
I think the horse is done.
JR said it was "rein in" there today.

Definitely gets the Post of the Week trophy!

(...insert appropriate graphic here...)

Jurassic Referee Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:58pm

Re: My 2 cents
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Goose
<font color = red>After 18 years of officiating, I'm wondering after reading some of these egotistical comments if I really want to work any longer. And ref's wonder why there is such a negative attitude towards them!</font>

<font color = red>Unlike some of the posters here, I have not done a perfect game.</font>

<font color = red>Once you start conferencing, it is hard to stop and I'm sure we have all worked with conference freaks who think they are running a clinic.</font>

<font color = red>Basically, this thread is a pathetic picture of officials arguing over a simple matter.</font>


Yeah right, Goose, you weren't personally attacking somebody. Telling them that they're egotistical, pathetic conference freaks who think that they're perfect isn't an attack. Nosiree, Goose. That's just your little way of telling somebody that you disagree slightly with their rule interpretation.

Well, in the immortal words of Dan_Ref- <i>"*** you, your ego and the horse you rode in on!"</i>

Please don't take <b>that</b> as a personal attack either.

rainmaker Thu Oct 14, 2004 02:06pm

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SavaahnTy Thu Oct 14, 2004 05:21pm

HAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA

Now come on JR, you have to admit you were going a bit overboard early on in this post :)

The honest impression that I got was that, someone...at some point, had done this exact thing to you and
IT PISSED YOU OFF!!!! :) :)

After going through this post, I believe I will stick with specific rules questions and interpretations on my posts from now on.. so as not to begin World War 4.

Item #1 on my pre-game checklist when I am the R....how both of my partners are going to accept it if I tell them they missed a shooters foot on the line, and how I am going to accept it return. :)

Savaahn Ty
" Just a student of the game, always looking to improve "

Oz Referee Thu Oct 14, 2004 05:25pm

Re: One final thought
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Goose
Savaahnty,

As we talked about this last night, I would ask any of the officials here, what motive would possess your partner to change this call from a 3 to a 2?
So, what motivation could possibly make me want to stop play and correct a scoring situation?


What motivation would I have fro stopping play and changing the call from a 3 to a 2?

Hmmm.....how about making the sure the call is right?

BTW am I the only person here that thinks Goose's handle is particularly apt? :D

SavaahnTy Thu Oct 14, 2004 06:00pm

LOL.. Oz, you are going to get a laugh out of this one..lol

What you are doing there is answering his two questions for him, and proving the opposite point of that which you are trying to prove.. although all of us on " this side " thank you :)

His motivation is the same as yours.. getting the call right. Which he does by signaling the try is a two and not a three....because he say the shooter on the line, and you not....and since getting the right is main concern, and he has now done so... there is no reason to interrupt the game with a whistle and a discussion.

We have gotten the call right without dirupting the flow of the game.....BRAVO :)

Savaahn Ty
" Just a student of the game, always looking to improve "


PS - I honestly think that is where the difference is in this post. I have been taught that the game is for the players, and ANY interruption to the flow of it ( stoppage of play for a reason other than one caused by the actions of player ) better be DRASTICALLY IMPORTANT. End of game situations would be DI...however that is why we are allowed to use the monitors :)

SavaahnTy Thu Oct 14, 2004 06:03pm

LOL>. yeah yeah... my daughter was climbing all over me while I was typing the previous post....so after you correct me..sue me :) :)

Savaahn Ty
" Just a student of the game, always looking to improve "


ChuckElias Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:02pm

Re: Re: One final thought
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Oz Referee
What motivation would I have fro stopping play and changing the call from a 3 to a 2?

Hmmm.....how about making the sure the call is right?

Duane, that is exactly Goose's point. He's not stopping the game to embarrass anybody or to show anybody up or to showboat. The only possible motivation to blow the whistle at that point is that the official is positive that the shooter's foot was on the line.

Nice to see you're still lurking here, mate!


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