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Bradley Batt Fri Jan 26, 2001 05:08pm

I wanted to call your attention to a story just posted on <b>Officiating.com</b> involving an American player on an Argentinean team punching out an official.

After being given a technical foul the player confronted the official and sucker punched him - knocking him unconcious. The referee is still recovering from a broken jaw an possible blindness.

There is more about this event, including photos and video, at the following link: <a href="http://basketball.officiating.com/x/article/1705">Out-of-control Player Punches Official</a>

[Edited by Brad on Aug 9th, 2004 at 09:15 AM]

JRutledge Sat Jan 27, 2001 04:07am

I saw this before.....
 
and I was in shock!!!!!!! And people wonder why there are not more good officials. Why work hard at a thing that we can get attacked at the drop of a hat. Especially when what we do is not life or death. It is only a game, and a single foul is not going to jeapodize anyone's livelyhood.

Longshots Sat Jan 27, 2001 11:42am

That thug belongs in jail. I am flabergasted but not surprised. I am not trying to sound like some head shrink but this act is a direct reflection of the lack of discipline that exists in some parts of our world. FIBA, IAABO, and all Federation referees should boycott any games this guy shows up to play in.

Tim Roden Sat Jan 27, 2001 06:09pm

Yea, he should be in jail. But this happened overseas so all they will do is ban him from the league and send him back to America where he becomes a problem here. I hope this video spreads far enough where this guy can't even get in a rec league game.

SIDRef Sun Jan 28, 2001 04:50pm

Ref to blame too?
 
The player was in no way justified in hitting the referee.

Yet I think the official could have prevented the incident. How?

Watch the tape. The ref, in repsonse to thug's objection to his non-call on the foul, did not "T with dignity." The official practically t-d him in his face then walked in his path.

The response may have been different if he would've unemotionally called the T, then looped away from the player to report the foul.

For what it's worth, I hope the player gets punished big time.


williebfree Sun Jan 28, 2001 06:25pm

Sorry SID
 
Shifting the responsibility (of the attack) to the official is NOT acceptable!

I work in a juvenile correctional facility and can tell you this is a black and white issue. The Player is TOTALLY responsible for his actions; REGARDLESS of the officials actions.

leomazzoleni Fri Aug 06, 2004 08:50pm

I heard about it, but I did't watch the video of the incident. The link our friend gave us is not working anymore. Could anyone send to my e-mail a good link to this video or the video file itself?

Thanks, a lot.

NICK Sat Aug 07, 2004 03:00am

pity, could not get to the link, although I do have a short .9mb video of a player punching a referee in Uruguay in a basketball game.

TravelinMan Sun Aug 08, 2004 08:49pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Bradley Batt
I wanted to call your attention to a story just posted on <b><font color="#CC0033">e</font><font color="#003366">Referee</font></b> involving an American player on an Argentinean team punching out an official.

After being given a technical foul the player confronted the official and sucker punched him - knocking him unconcious. The referee is still recovering from a broken jaw an possible blindness.

There is more about this event, including photos and video, at the following link: <A HREF="http://www.ereferee.com/index.cgi?category=basketball&page=outofcontrol">h ttp://www.ereferee.com/index.cgi?category=basketball&page=outofcontrol</A>

Do you know the player's name?

leomazzoleni Sun Aug 08, 2004 09:28pm

From what I heard in the video, it sounds like "Elness Bowling", american player, playing for an argentinian team.

Brad Mon Aug 09, 2004 08:18am

I've updated the original post to include the correct link.

lrpalmer3 Mon Aug 09, 2004 10:56am

I'm a young athletic official and I could defend myself (at least temporarily) against this sort of attack with one clause, if I was prepared. I've had players and coaches walk aggressively toward me and it takes every bit of control to avoid getting in a defensive fighting position. Lucky for me, I haven't been attacked. But as an official, are we obligated to "take a blow"?

That sounds like a rediculous statement, but the alternative is be fight ready. And there's no way to be fight ready without looking like it.

Snake~eyes Mon Aug 09, 2004 11:00am

Quote:

Originally posted by lrpalmer3
I'm a young athletic official and I could defend myself (at least temporarily) against this sort of attack with one clause, if I was prepared. I've had players and coaches walk aggressively toward me and it takes every bit of control to avoid getting in a defensive fighting position. Lucky for me, I haven't been attacked. But as an official, are we obligated to "take a blow"?

That sounds like a rediculous statement, but the alternative is be fight ready. And there's no way to be fight ready without looking like it.

Doesn't sound ridiculous to me, depnds on who it is and how serious it is, but if he swings he's live game. And if I were you I wouldn't take the blow.

lrpalmer3 Mon Aug 09, 2004 11:11am

It's hard to avoid a blow when you're trying to look poised. That's the problem. Do I get ready for a fight by clinching fist and turning into a fighting stance or do I try to stay calm looking? Keep in mind, I'm no ninja.

Snake~eyes Mon Aug 09, 2004 09:52pm

Keep poised and as soon as he gets in your face eject him and your partner should help with that(strength in numbers).

OverAndBack Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:31am

Tell you what - I'm not taking a blow. At that moment, I'm like anyone else. And we'll sort it out later.

Player, fan, coach - doesn't matter. They come at me, they're going down. And that's the last time I officiate. It's not worth it.

Long ago someone told me it was better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

ChrisSportsFan Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:50am

I agree, someones getting a 13 in the rear. I think patience is key here. We've all seen basketball fights. Noisy, several people, little bumping and NO PUNCHES. I'd hate to have someone bluffing and I start throwing. Although, if they have no business on the floor, then they get what's coming. Several states have laws in place regarding assaulting refs/umps. Hopefully, the games that have a higher risk of this happening will have more game mgmt and badges.

lrpalmer3 Tue Aug 10, 2004 03:41pm

Quote:

Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan
I agree, someones getting a 13 in the rear. I think patience is key here. We've all seen basketball fights. Noisy, several people, little bumping and NO PUNCHES. I'd hate to have someone bluffing and I start throwing. Although, if they have no business on the floor, then they get what's coming. Several states have laws in place regarding assaulting refs/umps. Hopefully, the games that have a higher risk of this happening will have more game mgmt and badges.
I guess that's what I hope never happens, someone bluffs and I throw.

TravelinMan Tue Aug 10, 2004 09:31pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Brad
I've updated the original post to include the correct link.
Brad, thanks. Will you also pay for my subscription so I can view it? :) Or at least tell me the player's name. Thanks. (correctly spelled - Nobody named Bowling)
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