Well said, Camron. I wasn't thinking about times when the L is ball-side. Good pick-up.

Of course it's a push. It's a push caused by torso to back contact that the L almost never has a good view of and the T or C (3 man) has the best view of. Very rarely is the L in good enough position to see this type of push.

The L should be looking for & taking the "real" pushes & shoves caused by arms during rebounding.

Re: Not so sure about that Dan.
 

I'll remember this for when I move to Chicago.

But for now I'm OK doing it my way.

Re: Re: Not so sure about that Dan.
 

Better remember it if you move to Indiana, too.

Re: Re: Re: Not so sure about that Dan.
 

You own a moving company??!!

;)

Re: Re: Re: Re: Not so sure about that Dan.
 

Nope...but if you're going to be moving often, maybe I should! ;)

when does this happen??
 

It is possible that the lead and trail are on the same side when a shot is taken.

Are we supposed to change sides back and forth as the lead official??? never been taught that one... i've seen some guys get a better view of the other side of the lane, by coming over a little to get a better view..but never should you have a lead and trail on the same side of the court in a two whistle game should you????? your supposed to always have your players boxed in from what i have always learned...that is why you have two of you out there, if the ball comes to the trail side of the post they are there to help out...but that is the main reason for the 3 man crew, to take care of those problems :)

Re: when does this happen??
 

Sure you should. When the ball settles on trail's side and there is action in the post, lead should come across and look back at and through the post.

Re: Re: Not so sure about that Dan.
 

Obviously you have to do what the powers that be tell you to do in your area. But this philosophy is not just coming from people that work in my area. This philosophy is being taught by officials that work over many parts of the country. If this was just a local issue I would have made that clear. Do not be surprised if you hear this from another source that is all. BTW I was told this at a camp outside of the area I live.

Pece

Re: when does this happen??
 

Absolutely, to add to what Lotto offered.

Lead has primary coverage of everthing below the FT line and inside the 3-point arc...even opposite side. To cover that well, the lead must cross over and look back across the key...there's no way to get a good view across the paint. The lead never goes very far past the lane line on the opposite side. The trail shifts high and towards the center of the court to cover the backside (where the lead temporarily vacated). The lead will always return to his original side in transition unless the trail gets trapped and is force to the other side.

Re: Re: when does this happen??
 

Actually trail has lane line to side line opposite lead UNLESS lead comes over. They changed that two years ago.;)

My view in 2 whistle.

1) it does not matter what side each referee is on or if they are both on same side.

2) Lead should be responsible for strong side rebounds (strongside is side lead is on)

3) Trail is responsible for perimeter and weaksside rebounds.

I have found this very helpful. I learned this years ago from the NBA system. It works well and allows to still have specific court coverage. It prevents double whistles where you dont need them (middle of paint is fair game for both just like anyother time)

There is nothing wrong with lead calling the from behind pushes on rebounds. It makes no sense to have a play right in front of lead and not call it. especially when lead is there and with the best angle.

Re: when does this happen??
 

Strong side officiating is taught by many a league. There is nothing wrong with having two guys on same side of floor. It is even encouraged in the NF manual if I remember right. Lead needs to get across and ref where he needs to when the ball or low post players are there. It is the best way to ref a 2 person game

Re: Re: Re: when does this happen??
 

Fair enough...I'm just expecting the lead to come over when the ball is in low and near the paint on trail side.

I would say .... trail has lane line to side line opposite lead UNTIL lead comes over.