I had one of the JV officials call me about a situation that had happened to him. One of the varsity officials was a no show, so the other varsity official asked him to stay and do the V game. At the begining of the 3rd period the no show official shows. Next dead ball he tell jv guy he's got the rest of the game. Any thoughts on whether commisioner should be told about this or is it between the officials? I don't know if I as the late show guy would have done that.

Suppref,
I woulda asked my fill-in if he wanted to continue, and give him the option ...and my check.
Don't know about commissioners.
mick

Suppref,
I woulda asked my fill-in if he wanted to continue, and give him the option ...and my check.
Don't know about commissioners.
mick [/B][/QUOTE]

Mick I forgot totally about the check. thanks

Let the home AD decied whether the V official should take over.

Either way, I'd tell the commissioner, and ask the AD to tell the commissioner

I think in fairness to the teams, whoever starts the game should finish, unless it was pre-arranged that the other guy would take over. They have had a half to adjust, now they need to again? If I was the coach I would not let this happen.

And, if the other ref is not a usual partner, then they are out there with no pregame, or any familiarity.

I say the no-show is SOL, and he can expalin to the AD and State where he was.

I agree with Brian. If a JV ref is willing and capable of working a V game, let him/her work! If a V can't make a commitment to a game, tough...let the JV guy gain a little credibility and experience with the V crew and AD. I think the ref that showed up late had some major cajones to step in and finish the game. Not to mention that the game is already 1/2 over and players are comfortable with the way the crew is calling the game.

I'd definitely talk to the commissioner or assignor or whoever handles the league. Where I come from, you show up in the third period, you probably won't get a varsity game for three years. As far as who continues. If there is some reason why the partner who started the dance can't continue. Finish with him. In my opinion, if you can't be there 15 minutes before game time, then you can't work the game.

This happened in our association last year when a varsity official witnessed a bad accident on the way to the game and was detained to give a statement. In fact, it was him who called 911 and waited for the authorities.

He got to the gym during halftime and one of the JV officials from the first game was doing the varsity game. The varsity official thanked him and told him he would be fine with it if the guy wanted to finish the game. In fact, he said it probably would be fairer to the players if that happened. He said he would sit at the scorer's table with his jacket on and be available for any help if asked.

That's how they finished the game. The JV official got paid at the varsity rate for the game, and we recognized the varsity official at the next meeting for his duty in helping the accident victims get help quickly, and for his deportment at the game. We voted to pay him for the game out of association funds, but he declined.

What a guy, and no - it wasn't Dave (or me, for that matter - I probably would have taken the pay - and I KNOW Dave would have). :)

If these are two men games, why not work three man. If they are three man, i think the JV official should stay on the court, unless he feels the need to give up the 2nd half. He should get paid for his time.

Thanks
 

I was careful not to pass judgement(far be it from me to judge a fellow official) in the original posting, so as to solicit non partial advise. But, the late arriving official is one of those 15-20 year guys who thinks he's bigger than the game. He also has ties with the local powers that be. I will consolidate all of your input and make a decision. You guys are the best. Thanks for the input!!

Bart,
As you know, there are 30 yr. officials that can't/won't work a three-man. And the flavor of that particular game, spicing it up in the 3rd quarter, would then definitely change even if all the officials were on the same page.
But I could see scheduling 3-man for every game and if one didn't show....
mick

If hecould call 911 on his cell, why not the school?

I always have my contract and contact numbers with me, just in case.

Mick, is there still state post season play that doesn't work three man?

Yeah, Bart,
Sad, but true.

Every school team plays in the State Tourney.
Districts - 2-man
Regionals - 2-man
Quarterfinals - 3-man
Semifinals - 3-man
Finals - 3-man

A couple years ago, we had a vet, who was going to the Quarterfinals, work with us in a couple of Jr High games about two days before he left for the quaterfinals.

Some Lower Michigan areas use 3-man for regular season games, and then "step down" to two-man games for the Districts and regionals.

A.D.s in our area wonder about more fouls? Less fouls? Longer games? We do it every chance we get, maybe that is why my long term partner and I have been broken up. But, hey, we always ask before we schedule a third.

And, as I mentioned before, the A.D.s do the assigning, and their Coaches do the rating of officials.

I was told at a trainer's meeting that Kentucky "Never" goes three-man, by a high ranking assignor in the state.
That knocked my socks off! Wouldn't that be like Indiana and North Carolina using only two-man?

mick

AAAAA... When I left Indiana two years ago it was still two man.

Except for a few pockets, I don't think they will ever leave the dark ages.

Too Sad
 

Thank goodness for North Carolina. Hope glimmers....

In our association in Portland, Oregon, there are specific rules about who does what if someone shows up late. I stayed over once to do a JV since the official didn't show. He came in right at the end of the first quarter. He didn't have a cell phone and was caught in traffic. He told me the rule was I could stay and do the whole game if I wanted, or I could let him take over. At the Varsity level, the switch part way through would have to be approved by the coaches. If I stay, I get the money, and he's outta luck -- except that with a good excuse he won't get fined. Our commissioner has very harsh fines set up for no-shows. At least this is how the rules have been explained to me.

On the subject of 3-"whistle" in Oregon all high school ball is 2-whistle right up to the State Championships. Period. It is nice for a beginner to only have one system to have to learn for a while, but I know in those big games, calls get missed and it's a big job for the two guys or gals who do it. The pay is better, though.

There was nobody in the school office at 8 pm.

WI is two-"man"... All the way
 

I do not hear any talk of going to 3-man.... From my inderstanding, the state board is too Tight ($$$$)

Rainmaker, I like your term better: 2-
 

Also... I agree... one system is tough enough to master, but I am willing to try 3-"whistle" (with supportive partners!)

In my view, late officials, especially 3rd quarter, should not be "stepping in", unless the replacement is that "pathetic". Any sensible AD (game management) should be able to handle this.

Mark Padgett's situation... Sounds like all worked out well... I am certian the late arriving official would not have been focused on the game anyway. It is also nice to see that he did the right thing by staying at the accident scene until he took care of that incident first.

Brian: Unfortunately, I have, in the past called after school hours, the number on the contract and been transferred to voice mail. But it is a nice thought that may work in some incidents. Good advice.

Re: WI is two-
 

willie,
I heard of a 3-man crew that came U.P. from WI to do a college came, and that they had some interesting mechanics.
mick

In our association, once the replacement official takes the floor, it's his game. No if's, and's or but's.

All varsity girls and boys games in NC are officiated by 3 officials. In fact, it's against state policy to work a varsity game with only two. We have done it on a rare few occasions when #3 didn't show. Our association also uses 3 man for JV boys games and for JV girls when part of a doubleheader with the boys. When we get to a point that we have enough officials, we will work all JV games with 3 man.

I know there are several other states in the Southeast that work 3 man, although I don't know if it's statewide. GA, TN, SC, FL, TX, and VA work 3 man in certain areas. Is there another state besides NC that requires all varsity games to have 3 officials?