Tonight did 3 Adult/Highschool games. One of the Adults told me to blow the f*&^%&# whislte. I blew it and gave him a "t" is that right? Or should have i did something else?

LOL. Sounds like a winner to me.

Z

Yup, Brandon. That's a T, even in my varsity games. The T is for the profanity, obviously; not for the "blow the whistle" comment.

brandan89,
When we are learning this game, our blow reflex is not quite as fast as our judgement reflex.

My guess is that you may have seen several fouls and couldn't get the blow reflex to work. Until that synapse between eyes and cheeks fully develops, be assured that it is okay to have a late whistle and to go get those fouls that you have seen, the fouls tha the voice in your head says, "Shucks, I shoulda got that one."

Too, there is the experience factor of determining what a foul is and what a foul is not. Until you have achieved a comfort zone of foul recognition, blowing the whistle seems to be a better alternative to passing on the contact.

With these two thoughts in mind, add the fact that many shooters "...Know I was fouled", while many defenders "...Never touched 'im".

Should you have T'd the player? Probably.
Should you have done something else? After the "offensive words" (you, or someone, was offended) came outa his mouth, you had no alternative.
mick
<HR>As newer officials, we must not overlook the benefit of the Tincture of Time.

Some one tells me to blow the F@#%$#$# whistle. I normally blow it, tell them just did! with a big T signal!

Yep whack em, especially in an adult rec league. You rarely ever get paid enough to put up with that B@#^&*()_

Yes, that ought to be true. My first instinct when someone says, "Blow the whistle!" is to say, "Okay, here you go!" and whack 'em. I never do, but it's so tempting.

Why not? You may not have to blow the whistle, but I don't let the comment pass without some response (fans not included)

I guess that goes with the saying "You better be careful what you wish for because you might just get it."

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It's okay to have a late whistle. Even with experience we will be late from time to time, because we will hold the whistle to let the play happen.

You will undoubtedly hear, "That was late!" Your reply, "Yes, but it was RIGHT." ;)

This is my philosophy:

It's not WHAT they say, it's HOW they say it!

If a player is running down the court, not looking at me, and says, "blow the whistle"...I would usually ignore it. (Possibly have a word with him during a dead ball)
If another player runs up to me and gets in my face yelling, "Blow the whistle!"...that's easy.

Both players SAID the same thing...it's their ACTION that shall be judged unsporting or not IMO.

Same with profanity. If a player swears to himself after a missed basket and it's not heard by anyone but me...I usually let it go. If a player uses the same swear word and has some action with it...(such as directed toward an individual, a call, etc.) then my T is ready and willing.

Side note: If a Coach asks me what his player said...I usually tell them, "Coach, it's not what he said, it's how he said it."
And, if the T is for profanity...I don't tell the Coach the actual swear word...I just tell them the T was for profanity.

Use the famous Davism: "Coach - he said that word that starts with F and ends with UCK and it's not FIRETRUCK."

He said the word that starts with B and ends with ITCH and it ain't BUTT-ITCH.

YUP...:D

Man I gotta remember that one lol.

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Sometimes, especially when your are new and feeling your way, between the time you see the call and the time you blow the whistle, a fan or coach will shout out the call.
"Travel!" This will often cause one to hesitate even a moment longer. By now the action has proceeded far enough that it is easy to think "too late now," and forget it, even though the call may have been obvious, to you and everyone else. Blow the whistle, even though it may seem veeery late. There is no time limit on getting something right. Also, when you do blow a late whistle after a verbal call from one side, the other side will invariably say, "You're letting them call the game!" This is usually not worthy of a response.

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Sometimes it depends on what they are yelling. I'd never recommend calling 3 seconds right after a coach screamed it.

Funny how my count usually returns to ONE when that happens.;)

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Calling three seconds right after a coach's yell is not uncommon for me.
Because I'll start a little later than "immediately", it does not surprise me when they yell a second or so before me.

I never have a plan for purposely mis-calling a play due to a coach's verbosity. It would not feel fair to me, and I am there for fair.

mick

I do. I have no problem with letting something go when the coach yells for it. Right after, I will tell the coach, "I was just about to call that, but you beat me to it. Hopefully, it won't happen again." ;)
They get the message very quickly, and since we miss a few every game, I don't think that one more means the game is now unfair.
In the long run, this tactic is usually more than worth it.

Disagree completely. Missing a call on purpose is just not right. I always thought that the idea of the game was to miss as few calls as possible, not to miss them on purpose. If you don't want a coach yapping at you, why don't you just simply use the rules that were very specifically written to take care of the situation? You know, like a warning, and then a T? Why do you think that the FED put in a rule like R10-4-1(b) anyway- <i>"Bench personnel shall not commit an unsporting foul....such as attempting to influence an official's decision"</i>? You're probably gonna end up Ting the coach up anyway after he hears your smarta$$ answer.

I agree with JR, intentionally missing a call is wrong.. totally wrong.

Most coaches that I have encountered would rather have me let the play go uncalled and the smarta$$ comment than receive a T.
Besides reffing wouldn't be any fun otherwise!
BTW, I have also used, "Coach, you got the call that time, but if you yell at me again, it's a T."
I guess that sometimes I'm just not up for being a smarta$$.

And I don't believe for a minute that you have ever made the correct call and then turned around and T'd the coach who was yelling for that 5-second violation or foul that went in his favor.

You are Disgraceful.......simply disgraceful!

This is just plain wrong.

If you let the coach influence your calls either way then you aint doing your job.

Nevada --

I've been tempted to do it the way you're describing, but I try not to. Rather, I'll say to the coach, "Look, if I'm not coaching, you're not reffing." Or, "It's easier for me to call a good game, if you're not yelling at me." Or, "I got it, coach, next time let me do it by myself." Or the one I like the best, "Since you called it, they haven't done it again!"

The other thing I've done once or twice (I know this is low, but it sure felt good at the time) with regard to three seconds, is to call it just as the screaming coach's team has tipped the ball to out beyond the key for a great fast-break set-up. Not much he can say, and he doesn't yell again!

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Fair is calling what needs to be called as evenly as possible.

99% of the time when a coach is screaming for 3 seconds, it's been 2 seconds or less, the kid is attempting to leave the lane, there is nobody even IN the lane, or there is a kid with half their foot inside the free throw line.

Most of us are much more concerned with post play and screening action to closely watch for 3 seconds, and when we do see it we all try to NOT call it by talking the player out of the lane.

This is a non-issue in my opinion.

Had I said, "I don't recommend calling a foul when the coach is yelling for it," then you'd have a case.

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Blinzebra,
What case?

mick

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About passing on a 3 second call being unfair.

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It would not feel fair to me.
What case?

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About FAIRNESS. 3 seconds is the least called rule in the book, we all go out of our way to try not to call it, so how is it a moral dilemma to pass on calling it if the coach is screaming for it?

On an obvious foul, you have a point, but on 3 seconds there is no case...:D

I agree with mick, and I think that you're still missing his point. If 3 seconds is the proper call to be made because someone in the lane is gaining an unfair advantage, then the call SHOULD be made- no matter what either coach might have to say about it. That's fair. If 3 seconds was NEVER called, then you might have a case. Deliberately not making a call however, ANY call, just because a coach might happen to be calling for you to make that call, is wrong. You call what happens, and then deal with the coach as a separate issue.

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blindzebra,
I'm sure we <I>pretty much</I> agree that 3-seconds is not a moral dilemma. This remains a game.

If the coach calls a violation before I, ...heck, it's still a game. (Mostly coaches call for 3-seconds when they forget they should be coaching.) I won't let it sway me. I won't bring that predisposition to the game.

And, ...what JR said. ;)

mick

Very true.

I T'd up a coach this weekend (for a borderline comment) - and my boss had to spend five minutes explaining to the coach that all that matters in his comments is how the ref percieves the comments.

I also went tableside after my partner T'd a coach (different game) who was complaining because he didn't know what he had said (i.e., he didn't use profanity). I just tried to explain to him that he had crossed some line with whatever he had said, and you don't need to swear to get a T.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by blindzebra

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99% of the time when a coach is screaming for 3 seconds, it's been 2 seconds or less, the kid is attempting to leave the lane, there is nobody even IN the lane, or there is a kid with half their foot inside the free throw line.

Gotta disagree here. It seems that in many games a coach has an opportunity to yell for 3 every trip down the court, many times on players who, if they are allowed, will stay in the lane "all frickin' night!"

Sometimes I think all officials except me try not to call 3 seconds but prefer to talk the player out of the lane.

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........ and when we do see it we all try to NOT call it by talking the player out of the lane.

Speak for yourself. I rest my case