Black Man's game?

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Nu1
Jurassic and Dan (sorry, I don't have this "cut and paste" thing down),

I did not mean to state directly or imply that if you're "old" you are racist or prejudiced. What I did mean to say, directly or imply, was that I do believe age can play a role in this area. If you noticed, I did use the words "some" and "may." I don't claim it to be fact. And, I certainly don't know you, Jurassic or Dan (as you don't know me), so it was not a statement about you personally. I do apologize if it offended.

Some Jews might be cheap.
Some Blacks might be lazy.
Some Irish might be drunks.
Some French might be cheese eating surrender monkeys.

You mean like that?

(Obviously the last one is true but I think you get my point.)

[JRutledge]

With all due respect, there are people of a certain generation that are more likely to have certain values, that are not commonly held today. Even though I agree that older folks are not inheriently racist, but they do tend to hold on to views that were apart of the their time. And if you do not think so, let someone's daughter bring me home and see what their parents think.

I am not trying to get into a major debate about race, but it is just like people of a certain generation are very patriotic, while people of another generation are much more likely to question our government and the system of government.

There is no question here, there are people that are not aware of the common pop culture treads and practices of people in my generation. One of the very reasons there are folks that do not understand what "PEACE" means when I use it in all my posts.

Peace

[w_sohl]

Originally posted by JRutledge
With all due respect, there are people of a certain generation that are more likely to have certain values, that are not commonly held today. Even though I agree that older folks are not inheriently racist, but they do tend to hold on to views that were apart of the their time. And if you do not think so, let someone's daughter bring me home and see what their parents think.

I am not trying to get into a major debate about race, but it is just like people of a certain generation are very patriotic, while people of another generation are much more likely to question our government and the system of government.

There is no question here, there are people that are not aware of the common pop culture treads and practices of people in my generation. One of the very reasons there are folks that do not understand what "PEACE" means when I use it in all my posts.

Peace

I have to agree absolutely with Rut here. I have seen it in action. My wife's father was brought up that way and he explicilty voiced his opinion about his daughters bringing home a black man. Don't get me wrong, he isn't the type to go out and burn a cross, although he doesn't live to far from where all of that started, but he does have strong opinions that my wife, her sisters, her step-mother and I don't agree with. So, it may be weeding itself out to a degree, but it isn't that far behind us either.

[Dan_ref]

There are 2 types of people in this world: those who make the mistake of blindly lumping people into groups and those who don't. Those of you claiming that "older" folks tend to be racists - or at least more racist than the younger set - should remember this.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

There are 2 types of people in this world: those who make the mistake of blindly lumping people into groups and those who don't. Those of you claiming that "older" folks tend to be racists - or at least more racist than the younger set - should remember this.

As much as I agree of not lumping folks into groups, there are many things we can learn about people based on a group. One of those markers are the age of the individuals. You do not see adults of a certain age as a rule sagging their pants. The same goes for values and certain expectations.

Peace

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by JRutledge

As much as I agree of not lumping folks into groups, there are many things we can learn about people based on a group. One of those markers are the age of the individuals. You do not see adults of a certain age as a rule sagging their pants. The same goes for values and certain expectations.

Peace

We're getting far off the track here but there's a word for defining a person based on your perception of their group - stereotyping. If the police do this it's called something else - illegal (generally).

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by w_sohl

I have to agree absolutely with Rut here. I have seen it in action. My wife's father was brought up that way and he explicilty voiced his opinion about his daughters bringing home a black man. Don't get me wrong, he isn't the type to go out and burn a cross, although he doesn't live to far from where all of that started, but he does have strong opinions that my wife, her sisters, her step-mother and I don't agree with. So, it may be weeding itself out to a degree, but it isn't that far behind us either.

You both are just stereotyping. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by JRutledge
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You do not see adults of a certain age as a rule sagging their pants. The same goes for values and certain expectations.

[/B][/QUOTE]What age are you talking about? I've seen SOME teenagers doing this as part of their fashion statement . I've also seen SOME older people do this because their a$$ has simply disappeared with age. There's also plenty of "plumber's butt" jokes going around about SOME people in between those two ends of the spectrum. Whoops. Almost forgot saggy diapers too. That moved the age spectrum even lower.

The point is that something may hold true for some part of a certain segment of any age group. That doesn't mean that the same characteristic holds true for ALL the people in that age group. If you try to represent that as being so, then you are stereotyping.

And I can also say that I've seen the same values, whether they're depicted as being "good" or "bad", exhibited across a whole range of age groups- from youngsters to old farts. Doesn't mean that they are typical of any specific age group though.

[rockyroad]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

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And I can also say that I've seen the same values, whether they're depicted as being "good" or "bad", exhibited across a whole range of age groups- from youngsters to old farts. Doesn't mean that they are typical of any specific age group though.

So are you saying that only old people fart??? How stereotypical is that?? I'm not old and I can toot with the best of them!!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by rockyroad
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So are you saying that only old people fart??? How stereotypical is that?? I'm not old and I can toot with the best of them!!
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[Nu1]

I am not speaking about a specific age. And I agree that because one person holds certain characteristic traits or beliefs it does not mean those traits or beliefs are typical among that persons's "group," whether that group be age, gender, race, or whatever.

I do think that if you look at generations, it would be more likely that an older generation would have a higher percentage of individuals who hold racist or prejudiced beliefs, which has a lot to do with the society they grew up in, when compared to a younger generation. And I think it is more likely that if someone's pants are hanging off their hips, that person will be younger (and that is with all plumbers included). Isn't it true that biracial couples are accepted more today - not always, but more - than in past decades?

Someone who grew up in the 40's or 50's had to deal with race on a much different level than someone who grew up in the 70's or 80's. I believe that it is easier for teens growing up today to be more open and accepting of individuals based on race, when compared to growing up in past generations.

Now, because you don't agree with me does that mean you'll no longer provide me with much needed input and answers to my basketball questions?

[w_sohl]

Originally posted by Nu1
I am not speaking about a specific age. And I agree that because one person holds certain characteristic traits or beliefs it does not mean those traits or beliefs are typical among that persons's "group," whether that group be age, gender, race, or whatever.

I do think that if you look at generations, it would be more likely that an older generation would have a higher percentage of individuals who hold racist or prejudiced beliefs, which has a lot to do with the society they grew up in, when compared to a younger generation. And I think it is more likely that if someone's pants are hanging off their hips, that person will be younger (and that is with all plumbers included). Isn't it true that biracial couples are accepted more today - not always, but more - than in past decades?

Someone who grew up in the 40's or 50's had to deal with race on a much different level than someone who grew up in the 70's or 80's. I believe that it is easier for teens growing up today to be more open and accepting of individuals based on race, when compared to growing up in past generations.

Now, because you don't agree with me does that mean you'll no longer provide me with much needed input and answers to my basketball questions?

Very well put...

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by w_sohl

Very well put...

To handle this in a way that's less likely to offend, say it in terms of sub-culture. "It's more acceptable in such-and-such a sub-culture to speak your mind." "The so-and-so sub-culture attaches meanings to that word that you and I might not realize." "That gesture is much more offensive in the yada-yada sub-culture" Describe the difference in value-neutral terms, and use the expression, "sub-culture." This isn't covering up bias or prejudice. It's a way to talk about subtle differences in our society that may exist, but can be uncomfortable to examine.

You can also ASK, rather than TELL. "Do you find that some people cling to the culture of the 50's and have trouble letting go of the racial prejudices of that time?" "When you say that, do you get a negative response?" "Have you ever heard that word, and wondered if you heard something different from what the speaker was trying to say?" The question can't be too pointed, or it sounds manipulative, but it can gently lead, if you do it carefully.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Nu1
And I agree that because one person holds certain characteristic traits or beliefs it does not mean those traits or beliefs are typical among that persons's "group," whether that group be age, gender, race, or whatever.

I do think that if you look at generations, it would be more likely that an older generation would have a higher percentage of individuals who hold racist or prejudiced beliefs, which has a lot to do with the society they grew up in, when compared to a younger generation.

Please re-read your two statements above. They contradict the hell out of each other. Why would it be more likely that older generations would have racist tendencies when you also state that some older members of that generation who maybe do have those beliefs, or racial tendencies, aren't typical of that age group anyway. Doesn't make a whole lotta sense to me.

Stereotyping, Nu1. Bottom line.

[Nu1]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Please re-read your two statements above. They contradict the hell out of each other. Why would it be more likely that older generations would have racist tendencies when you also state that some older members of that generation who maybe do have those beliefs, or racial tendencies, aren't typical of that age group anyway. Doesn't make a whole lotta sense to me.

Stereotyping, Nu1. Bottom line.

I tried this cut and paste / quote thing - don't know if it will work.
If you re-read my statement you'll see I said it would be more likely that older generations would have a higher percentage of individuals with racist tendencies WHEN COMPARED to younger generations. If you use the below definition of "typical," as found on Merriam-Webster online, I don't think my statements contradict each other at all. I agree that racist tendencies are not "essential characteristics" of any age group. I do however think one age group can have higher percentages of individuals who have racists beliefs when compared to other age groups. If two age groups are compared, they're either the same, close, or one is higher than the other. Just my opinion. We'll agree to disagree.

1 : constituting or having the nature of a type : SYMBOLIC
2 a : combining or exhibiting the essential characteristics of a group

You still didn't answer my question. Are you now going to withhold you officiating knowledge?