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oc Mon Jun 14, 2004 10:18am

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Originally posted by Nu1
A jump stop wouldn't necessarily have to be illegal. Jump stops can easily occur as a dribble is ending. Which means a pivot foot was never established.

The jump stop that coaches refer to and the ones refs refer to are different. In the situation you described (a coaches jump stop) either foot can be a pivot foot. When an official uses the term they mean a situation where neither foot can be a pivot foot. 4.43.2.b.2 and 4.43.4

oc Mon Jun 14, 2004 10:22am

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
Did anyone see the traveling violation that Steve Javie called on Gary Payton in the 2nd half? Payton picked up his dribble in the BC. With no one to pass to, he stepped, picked up his pivot but didn't return it to the floor. Javie whistled the travel.

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Looked good to me as well. In fact I rewound it at the time and checked it a few times. What surpised me was nobody (player, coach, announcer) thought the call was strange. Wonder if the refs discussed that one later in a post game discusion.
--Ok the fact that the announcers ignored it didn't surprise me but I was thought Phil Jackson might say something.

oc Mon Jun 14, 2004 10:29am

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
The NBA rule is different. They allow players outside the 3-point arc to enter the lane on the release of the FT, just as the players along the lane are allowed to enter on the release.

In HS and NCAA, the players outside the 3-point arc must wait for the ball to hit the rim or backboard before breaking the plane of the arc.

If Prince was crossing the 3-point arc before the FT was released, that should've been a delayed violation. But it's certainly possible that they ignore it unless the player gets the rebound. I can't address that.

Now in the 4th quarter of game 4 they do call the lane violation in what looked to me like the same situation--and the violater was not the one rebounding the ball. I know these are the best refs in the world, but these calls seem inconsistent. I am now more curious to know if the NBA rule is different or did someone break down the game tape with the refs and discuss that these calls are being missed.

ChuckElias Mon Jun 14, 2004 10:44am

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Originally posted by oc
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
The NBA rule is different.
I am now more curious to know if the NBA rule is different

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oc Mon Jun 14, 2004 11:01am

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by oc
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
The NBA rule is different.
I am now more curious to know if the NBA rule is different

:confused:

I understand that the rule is different about entering on the release not when it hits the room. I am curious if there are other differences that would explain what looked like lane violations not being called in game 1 and 2.
As you put in your first post:
"If Prince was crossing the 3-point arc before the FT was released, that should've been a delayed violation. But it's certainly possible that they ignore it unless the player gets the rebound. I can't address that."

Does anyone know?

bob jenkins Mon Jun 14, 2004 11:23am

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Originally posted by Nu1
A jump stop wouldn't necessarily have to be illegal. Jump stops can easily occur as a dribble is ending. Which means a pivot foot was never established.
Lotto said jump SHOTS would be illegal, not jump stops.


Lotto Mon Jun 14, 2004 01:47pm

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Originally posted by Nu1
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Originally posted by Lotto
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Originally posted by Nu1

I have always thought, previously to reading the rule book, that once you lift the pivot foot it is a travel.

If this were true, then jump shots would be illegal. :)

A jump stop wouldn't necessarily have to be illegal. Jump stops can easily occur as a dribble is ending. Which means a pivot foot was never established.

Never said anything about a jump stop. I was talking about a jump shot. Or maybe a pump shop? Or some lump pots? Or something like that, anyway.

Nu1 Tue Jun 15, 2004 10:06am

Oops. I read it wrong. Add it to my list of errors.
And now I fully understand your point. Thanks.


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