I am sitting here studying my manual and under After approval of score it says : "Report any irregularity or flagrant situation to the state association office as soon as possible."

Can you tell me what a flagrant situation is and give me some examples?

Lots of examples. Fighting. Grabbing an airborne player, flipping them upside down and slamming them down on their head. Giving a violent elbow to the head of a player when their back is turned and you think you can get away with it. Forearm to the face of a player who just pushed off to get space.

Basically, any violent foul (during live or dead ball) with intent to injure.

And what is the mechanic for it? Is it the whistle and a clinched fist?

Is it a flagrant T or a flagrant foul? Dead ball is T, live ball is foul. Either way, the result is two shots and ball team that foul was committed against, ejection of player that committed foul.

I am not your mechanics guru, but I think we have ahd this discussion before and there is no real mechanic for the flagrant. And I have yet to have a flagrant called in any game I have coached, girls or boys. Seen a couple I thought could have been called.

Knock wood! Don't really want to be part of a game where that stuff starts happening.

A flagrent is a Flagrent Technical.

Some people come straight out with the T - but I tend to Fist then do the T (more from habit I guess). Make sure you use your voice to specify that it is a flagrent T (not just a regular T) as they get the boot.

I did toss a University Rec player once giving the old Heave-Ho (baseball style) (tweet - Technical Foul (giving the T), you are out of here (Heave-Ho)).

[Edited by cingram on Jun 4th, 2004 at 03:43 PM]

Flagrant fouls can be either personal or technical. if the foul occurs while the ball is live, it is a flagrant personal foul. If the act occurs when the ball is dead, it's a flagrant technical foul.

I thought I said that already ;)

Thanks JR. I stand corrected. I gotta start carrying my books with me.

How would you signal the Flagrent personal foul? Using the Intentional signal? voice the "flagrent"... or some other way.

The player I did toss was during a dead ball (he didn't like the call that I was reporting to the table). So I guess I got that one right. ;)

[Edited by cingram on Jun 4th, 2004 at 03:44 PM]

Good point about the T you issued. Another way to get a flagrant is to be especially profuse in profanity or expressive in your dissent. It isn't just violent acts that get you the auto boot.

If you ask really nicely, you can be kicked out on the first T. :)

cingram, it's flagrant, f-l-a-g-r-a-n-t, not flagarent.

Quite sorry, I won't make that mistake again.

Any ejection of a coach, or ejection of a player for reasons beyond 5 fouls gets noted and reported.

Also under irregular situations, a wierd injury would be reported i.e. player getting hit in the head with the ball off the rebound and getting knocked unconcious.

Cingram, I think that I need to clarify one thing. The live ball/dead ball criteria to differentiate between flagrant personal and technical fouls is a fairly accurate rule of thumb, but there are exceptions however. The most common one is a player or coach swearing at another player or an official during a live ball. That one is a flagrant technical foul; it can't be a flagrant personal foul because there was no contact involved. Personally, I don't think that it's a biggie if you do happen to call one the other. The result is the same- disqualification plus 2 shots & the ball to the non-offending team.

As for the signal for a flagrant foul, there are several different schools of thought. The "baseball heave-ho" signal is used a lot, as is just pointing to the dressing room. Some trainers advocate making no gesture at all, but simply tell the offender that he's outa there.I guess that it's just personal preference, unless whoever's assigning you wants it done a particular way.

Cingram, I think that I need to clarify one thing. The live ball/dead ball criteria to differentiate between flagrant personal and technical fouls is a fairly accurate rule of thumb, but there are exceptions however. [/QUOTE]

Actually, it's not a "rule of thumb". The live ball/dead ball rule is used only when you are going to call the foul because of contact. If the contact occurs during a live ball, it's a personal. If the contact occurs during a dead ball, it's a technical. Any non-contact foul, whether during a live or dead ball, is a technical.

Both personal and intentional fouls can be called flagrant, which means an ejection is involved. Only personal fouls can be called intentional.

Thanks JR.

In my 8 years of reffing (4 with a board) I've only tossed one person - and that was 5 years ago.

I'd be kinda interesting trying to give a flagrant personal foul to a coach... :)

Frankly does anyone see why there is a flagrant personal foul? If it is flagrant why not make it a flagrant technical? They are getting the boot anyways because of what they did.

1) Any non-contact foul, whether during a live or dead ball, is a technical.

2) Only personal fouls can be called intentional. [/B][/QUOTE]
1) One of the definitions of fighting is "an attempt to strike, punch or kick....". This is a case where, if this happened during a live ball, you could have a flagrant personal foul without contact.

2) Technical fouls can be intentional also, as per Rule 4-19-3.

I can't wait to give someone the baseball style heave-ho, you're outta here signal. I hope it happens to a Home player and all the fans booo me. I always keep track of who has technicals so I can send 'em packing if they come at me with some nonsense. I practice that almost as much as my "blocking-count the bucket" call and the "player control" call.

a word of advice, don't give the baseball style ejection signal. You're just asking for trouble with that. There is no prescribed signal for an ejection, so don't use one. I got in crap for saying "number 23, that's 5 you're gone" if i gave the baseball type signal i don't think i'd be on the court anymore.

Also, don't go out of your way to eject people. I feel i may have gone overboard (3 this season, althought all were deserving of what they got), but I never practise throwing anyone out, and you shouldn't either. Its the last resort.

After an ejection you inform the coach then the player, or just the coach if he's ejected, then you go to your disqualified player posistions and wait for the coach to leave, or for 30-seconds to replace the player.


Also, never have a big smile on your face when giving out the disqualifying foul. ;)

Yes. It's flagrant b/c it's of a savage or vicious nature. And it's personal b/c it involved contact during a live ball.

1) One of the definitions of fighting is "an attempt to strike, punch or kick....". This is a case where, if this happened during a live ball, you could have a flagrant personal foul without contact.

2) Technical fouls can be intentional also, as per Rule 4-19-3. [/B][/QUOTE]

JR,
I would still call #1 a flagrant technical for fighting because it is a non-contact foul. I agree with you on #2. Obviously, contact during a dead ball which is deemed intentional, but not flagrant, would be an intentional technical foul.
Mark,
There is one exception which I know of to what you wrote in your #1. There is a case book play (3.3.6 Sit B) in which a bleeding player wipes his blood on an opponent in order to cause him to have to leave the game too. This certainly involves contact, but the ruling says that it is an unsporting technical foul.

[Edited by Nevadaref on Jun 6th, 2004 at 10:50 PM]

I'm talking about the scenario when a coach with one T throws a chair out on the court to show objection to a call. It may happen once in my life (an ejection of that sort) but I'll be ready.

If he already has one T and you are giving him a second you don't need to 'Heave Ho' him - He has 2 T's and has a one way ticket out of the gym. The only time that I would give the Heave Ho is when someone has received a Flagrant foul (personal or Technical). If it was their second T I likely wouldn't do it.

My mechanic on a second technical or a flagrant foul - give the signal for the foul (often a T), then I give the Bobby Valentine 'point 'em to the door' signal.

Depending on the situation, I might add in a "you're gone" or something similar.

It depends on what your association or state wants and each is different. In mine, we have to report whenever the coach loses coaching box priveledges or when any coach, player, or fan is ejected.

Mregor

Had one of these on Saturday in girls age 11 AAU game. Two players going for the loose ball on the floor, white 43 winds up with it and blue 12 lands on top of her, holding her down. Whistle on blue 12. Both players are then sitting side by side with blue 12 to the left of and slightly behind white 43. White 43 looks back at blue 12, looks at me, looks back again at blue 12, looks back at blue 12 again and gives her an elbow to the face. Ejection time! Coach's comment to me was: "she only did that to get even for being fouled". I couldn't believe that comment.

Cingram,

There is a difference in the penalties of a flagrant personal and a flagrant technical. The throwin spot on a flagrant personal is the spot nearest the foul, the throwin spot for a flagrant T is the midcourt line.

Disclaimer: I'm on deployment to remote areas of Utah, and I didn't bring my rules book, so I'll expect correction if I'm wrong.

Adam

... and the player who was fouled must shoot the free throws for the personal foul, while any member of the offended team may attempt those for the technical.