In another thread, Camron posted: "Only when the ball is live are there restrictions on who can call timeout....only the team that has a player control (not team control)."

This got me to thinking (which, my wife tells me, can be very dangerous). On an inbound play, the ball becomes live when at the disposal of the inbounder. However, there is no team or player control at that point, since player control is defined as holding or dribbling a live ball inbounds. Also however, the defending team may not legally be granted a TO during this time.

Is this consistent with the theory that, during a live ball, only the team in player control may legally be granted a TO?

Is there a written exception to this in NF rules?

5-8 ART.3 a. The ball is in control or at the DISPOSAL of a player of his/her team.

Don't you love it when they're this easy?

But let me ask this about the college inbound rules. First let me state some rules (please correct me if I am wrong on any of these).

1. An NCAA inbound ends when a player controls the ball.
2. A NFHS inbound ends when a player touches the ball.
3. NCAA and NFHS possession arrows are switched after the inbounds ends.

Can someone describe a play in which this makes a difference?

[Edited by lrpalmer3 on May 27th, 2004 at 02:33 PM]

It won't be, MTD will have a cone of disposability around the thrower that does not permit a time out.

[Edited by blindzebra on May 27th, 2004 at 02:36 PM]

You'd be talking about the team control foul in NCAA.

Actually, there's also a "cone of verticality" directly over top of the OOB line on a throw-in. This is a special "cone of verticality" though, because it's a <font color = red>"one-way cone of verticality"</font>. The thrower can reach through this <font color = red>"one-way cone of verticality"</font>, but a defensive player CANNOT reach through the exact same <font color = red>"one-way cone of verticality"</font>.

And so endeth today's lesson! :D



<i>"There are 2 things that I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people and the French"</i>
- Mark Padgett

Yep.

Under ncaa we do not shot bonus ft's when the foul is by the team in control. Team control begins on the throw-in when the ball's at the disposal- can't shoot bonus ft's. If the throw-in ended on the tip, you could have a period of time where there is NO team control (and could shoot bonus ft's) after the ball is released on the throw-in and before the ball is controlled on the court (once again could not shoot bonus ft's). That is how the rule was read when this change was made 2 yrs ago. Last year the rule was re-worded and eliminated this case by saying the throw-in ends on a player controlling the inbounds pass. Meaning there's team control even on the tip and you don't shoot ft's on the throw-in until there's player control.

Kinda confusng...get it?

(BTW, when I say shooting ft's I mean shooting ft's on what amounts to "offensive fouls" in the above example.)

Intolerance is something I will not put up with!

Dan -- There's that non-U grammar again! Never end a sentence with a preposition.

Try, "Intolerance is something up with which I will not put." See?

Or alternatively....

<i>Intolerance is something that I will not put up with, moron."</i>

Is that better, Juulie?

So Mark, I guess my wife isn't the only one who thinks her husband actually thinking is dangerous!

As I've mentioned before, my wife has a key chain that states "Men are like dogs - dumb but trainable"

BTW - I didn't say that stuff about the French as posted above, although it is clever. My statements about them are usually more in the vein that they're a bunch of cheese eating surrender monkeys.

I heard that when EuroDisney opened and they set off fireworks, the entire French army surrendered.

My bumper sticker states: "Cut domestic cheese".

Mark,

I heard the newspaper in Paris had the headline that said "Americans go Home" and next thing you know, all the American men had been eliminated from the French Open. How ironic is that????

OK. I was a litte incomplete (or maybe inaccurate depending on how you look at it).

Perhaps better a better statement:

<em>Only when the ball is live are there restrictions on who can call timeout....only the team that has a player control (not just team control) or has the ball at their disposal for a throw-in or free throw.</em>

lmfao http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung...smiley-014.gif

Very clear actually. Thanks.

A little confused on the basics
 

Could you please explain under NFHS- at what point after a made basket can the defensive team be granted a time out?

Ball drops out of the basket-

Offensive player grabs ball and heads for the baseline-

Offensive player is set up to throw ball inbounds-

I have always used the "at the disposal of the thrower" to mean a reasonable amount of time to recover the ball- at that point I begin my count. I guess if I'm counting that means no timeout?

Sometimes the thrower chooses not to pick up the ball, hoping I will delay my count until he has the ball in his hand- can a timeout be granted to the defensive team then? I will be counting...

Another complication- the thrower throws the ball to me (as they do occasionally) does this affect the count? I see many officials begin the count at that point- thus effectivly allowing an extra second or so to the thrower.

After a made basket(field goal or FT), either team can request a TO until the ball is at the disposal of the team throwing the ball in. "Disposal" just basically means that a player on the team scored against either grabs the ball, or is in a position to grab the ball if he/she wanted to- <b>in the official's opinion</b>. After the ball is at the disposal or in the hands of a player of the team throwing the ball in, you start your 5-second count, and then only that team can be granted a TO request.

If a player on the team with the throw-in tosses the ball to me, I think that it's a straight judgement call whether you start your count then, or start it after you toss the ball back to him. If you think that they are throwing the ball to you to gain an advantage- like maybe gaining some extra time to set up a throw-in play, then you can start your count on the first touch. As I said, that's the official's judgement imo. Personally, I've always been a little leary of starting that early count. I'm not smart enough to read the mind of the player tossing the ball to me, so I'll usually give them the benefit of the doubt- unless they're doing it in the last coupla seconds of a game in which they are ahead.

If a player on the team with the throw-in tosses the ball to me, I just move out of the way and start my visual count.

Man - you should see the reaction I get. The coach starts yelling at the player to get the ball and the player runs after it like he just had his girlfriend tell him her parents were away for the weekend.

BTW - they usually do this only once, then they get the message.

Mark, I like that, especially with highschool kids.

Mark, maybe it's a regional thing, but why would a teenage boy run after a basketball when his gf just told him they have the run of her house for the weekend?

Mark, maybe it's a regional thing, but why would a teenage boy run after a basketball when his gf just told him they have the run of her house for the weekend?

[/B][/QUOTE]Why would ANY age boy run after a basketball, given that choice? I'm there.

I await the inevitable Viagara jokes.

There may be a few teen-age basketball players who wouldn't care much about the GIRLfriend's parents.

That's what I'm talking about, let's bring the fun back to officiating. I can't wait to do this, but I may burst out in laughter.