I'm about to take on my first VAR game...

[zebraman]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by tomegun

I'm pretty sure if we asked Rickref the official who told him this does college ball with TV timeouts. Breaking it down like this takes you from one timeout to the next. I've heard Dave Libbey say the same thing.

Probably. Hey, I understand the quote guys and gals. It's just that quotes like tend to be meaningless to me personally. If it helps you, more power to you. I try to concentrate the whole time and find little value in breaking up my game into pieces of concentration. Cliches have just never done much for me.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go give 110%. I have to take it one game at a time. I have to play the hand I was dealt.. etc. etc.

Z

[Mregor]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
Good story.

The way I read it V scored in H basket then H took the ball out, scoring 2 more points. If I got this right you got it wrong. V was entitled to the ball at that point. There's a case play that sez to take off the points.

In any event I would have blown the whistle and killed play as soon as V scored 2 points for H. Talk to the table, talk to the coaches, talk to your partner.

Yep, kicked it all the way. Never saw that CB play in rule 10. I came on here and asked and someone (Tony) pointed it out to me. All we could think of at the time was correctable error (not correctable) and T for leaving the court for an unauthorized reason. I don't know what I would have done if I was watching it closely. As it was, I was concentrating on the table and the scoreboard to make sure they got it right. I never really realized the wrong team was inbounding. As for blowing the whistle right after the score in the wrong basket, that's what we came up with on the ride home. We should have killed it, got the book and board right, then put it back in play. One of the best games I've had for 31:50. Those other 0:10 are what killed us.

Mregor

[TPS2859]

Dont feel bad for not knowing the rule. ast season in a J.V. game the same thing happened, but my partner started a 5 secound count back on the team that made the wrong basket. Fortunatly for us the coach called a time out, so that bailed us out f the problem!

So what everyone is saying is that after a made basket for the wrong team the refs should call a time out to score it to the team whos basket it went in, then let the team who scored the wrong basket to take the ball out again, correct?

[Rickref]

That's what I would do. Also, Have the scorer note that the basket was scored by the other team at the bottom of the book. No player gets credited for those points.

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by Mregor

True for the most part, but my most bizzare incident happened in a boys varsity last year. I've been wanting to get this off my chest since it happened, so this seems like as good a time as any. Long, but an important lesson here.

Boys Varsity towards end of the season. We have a conference champ playing at 5 or 6 place team big rivalry. On paper, it looks to be a blow-out and a foul fest. As we pull up to the HS we assume there must be some other event going on because we can't even find a place to park. Nope, they are all here for the game. Packed house with extra bleaches brought in. Full band and both Home and Visitors have their chearleader squads. During pregame meeting, the scorer says he brought extra pencils becuase in his words, it was going to be ugly. I'm U in 2-man. V controls the tip and on the subsequent drive is fouled hard but nothing out of line. As I'm standing there while he's shooting his FT's, I look up at the clock and notice 10 seconds have come off the clock. I do some quick math and figure if this keeps up we'll have all the players fouled out and go home before at the end of the 1st. Next time down the court I've got a PC foul against V. Coach complains a bit, we switch, bam, same exact play going the other way. Another PC. H coach complains a bit, I told him exact same call as 10 seconds earlier. All is well but we've got 3 fouls in the first minute of the game. Kids settled down and we finished the half with V is up by 3 at the half with foul count of 4-3. Great game. Can't even hear each other's whistles at full volume. Both sided with their cheers of "conference champs" replied with "Over rated" stuff like that all game long. Truly the most electric atmosphere I've ever been in.

End of third with 0:12 seconds left, V up by 5, we have a TO after a made basket by H. V6 subs in and H lines up for a press. I'm new lead at midcourt opposite table to help with the b/c pressure. V1 inbounds to V6 who is pressured just below the FT line. He is double teamed and gets confused wiht the pressure and figures the path of no resistance is towards the basket and goes in for an uncontested layup at H's basket. As soon as he does this, I look to the scorer and show them "2" and point to Home's bench to get them to score the basket for H. I look up at the scoreboard to make sure the points get credited to the correct team. While I'm trying to check that, everyone, including my partner is now confused. Time is ticking down and now there's just a few ticks left on the clock. H1 grabs the ball and inbounds it to H2 and everyone starts going the wrong way (me too at this point). H2 is the bright one, and he turns around and scores another uncontested basket for H. Time expires. Both coaches come out with H saying, you can't correct that and V saying, you can't count that. We meet and get away from the coaches. We discuss it and neither of us think we can correct it because it doesn't fit the scenario of a correctable error. We go back to the coaches and R explains our decision. V coach is naturally upset. We do our best at explaining why it's not correctable. Coach doesn't like it but eventually we get going again and start the intermission while we go to the table and make sure they get the score right. They never added the last basket, I know this because I looked at the scorboard when it initally happened. We confirm it with the scorers and get the timer to add 2 to H's score on the board. Fan's go crazy and gets coach involved again. Explain it to him and his scorer confirms that based on our interpretation, the score is correct on the board. It's now a 1 pt game. We trade leads back and forth through much of the fourth period, I got 2 more PC fouls on V's PG for pushing off with his off arm and the coach really took those pretty well chastising his PG instead of me. Ends up being a 1 pt game with V up by one and H has a last second attempt coming out of a TO at DL. They run a high post but defense disrupts it and they end up with their center having to take an out of control desperation shot while driving to the basket. I'm lead and there is no contact, game over, get our butts out of there. No confrontations, just get showered and leave. We talk about it and without a book handy we came up with the decision that we should have blown the play dead right after the initial wrong basket to confer with scorer and get everyone back on track. We drafted an email to the coach on the following Monday after reveiwing the proper procedure which would have been to cancel the score (CB Rule 10.?) and admitted our error. We sent it to him and then got a reply from him saying, thanks, hope to see you work one of our games again. We were pleased that he took it well. Within minutes we got an email from the State asking for our take on what happened because the AD complained and the state upheld our gametime decision but the coach forwarded the AD our email that admitter our error (you confused yet?). Well, it all boiled down that we were wrong, the State supported our initial and then revised interpretation, and all ends well. However, I did not get an availability sheet for that conference for next season.

So, you are correct that normally things are better at Varsity level. That is especially true with coaches. However, the weird does still happen and usually to me. Thanks for listening.

Mregor

I had a kid in a 5th/6th grade game inbound the ball, they shot at the wrong basket, got the rebound, shot and missed again and got the rebound, shot again, missed and rebounded the ball, whistle for ten second violation.