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Originally posted by TravelinMan
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Originally posted by Snaqwells
JR, thanks for the elaboration on that point. I'd like to add that if the defender remains stationary and vertical, but the dribbler manages (through some contortion) to get head and shoulders past the torso and causes contact that knocks both players to the floor.... PC.
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After reading your post and assuming you are correct...then you can take the head and shoulders guideline and throw it out the door.
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Oh,no. The main onus for contact in these cases is always still on the defender, as the book states in rule 10-6-2. However, it's not a one-size-fits-all call. The defender, once attaining LGP, can maintain that LGP by moving laterally, and there also is no requirement that the defender's feet have to be set when the contact occurs. The defender can't be moving TOWARDS the dribbler though. That's all set out in rule 4-23-3. Now, you have to see where the contact occurs. If, it is on the side of the torso (as it usually is), it's a block, as per casebook play 4.23.3. If the contact is ON the torso however, as per the dribbler leaning in, then you could still have a PC on the dribbler, as per the wording in rule 4-7-2(b). As Hawks Coach stated, there's different rules and concepts governing the final call on plays like this, and you have to know all of them.