NBA goes 2-man - Page 2

Dribble · #16 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 26, 2004, 04:42pm

For those of you familiar with FIBA 2-person mechanics, the NBA 2-man is very similar.

Speaking of taking your eyes off players too soon, Ron Garretson took his off Paul Pierce and Ron Artest while retrieving the OOB ball and Pierce pushed Artest to the ground. I know Ron and I'm sure he's not happy about that. Personally, I still think he's one of the best refs in the NBA.

Logistically, the NBA would have a tough time getting alternates to each of the playoff sites in the earlier rounds. Every round the NBA officials "make the cut" they get a monetary bonus, so by adding alternates you're introducing less qualified individuals into the mix and paying them for not reffing. That being said, it's still probably better having 2 officials and the alternate ref than just 2 officials, and the NBA has the money to pay the alternates.

Just food for thought...

ChuckElias · #17 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 26, 2004, 05:47pm

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Originally posted by Dribble
Speaking of taking your eyes off players too soon, Ron Garretson took his off Paul Pierce and Ron Artest while retrieving the OOB ball and Pierce pushed Artest to the ground.

The problem with that play is that Artest's fall was worthy of an Academy Award. But b/c the official turned around too soon, all he saw was the fall out of the corner of his eye and didn't see that Pierce barely nudged him. So he gave Pierce a T.

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by adding alternates you're introducing less qualified individuals into the mix and paying them for not reffing.

Officials are already paid for not officiating. Every NBA official that does not receive a playoff assignment gets a "Non-playoff Share". It's not as much as working the play-offs, but they still get a cut of the post-season pie.

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That being said, it's still probably better having 2 officials and the alternate ref than just 2 officials,

The issue is whether to have three officials and an alternate, b/c the NBA will never intentionally go back to 2-whistle crews. The only time you'll see 2 officials on the floor is when there has been an injury to the 3rd official. My guess is that they will not add an alternate to the preliminary rounds. They'll just trust the best officials in the world to work a 2-whistle game.

rainmaker · #18 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 26, 2004, 06:14pm

How often does this happen in a season? It seems ironic to me that it has happened twice in the same series!

tomegun · #19 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 26, 2004, 07:34pm

Ron Artest did flop.
Paul Pierce did push him extending both arms.
That is a T any way you cut it.
Let's get this out of the way - I'm originally from Indiana

Speaking of Paul Pierce, he is quickly getting a reputation in my mind of a player that is very good but is not a winner. Wasn't he on that US team that lost? He doesn't seem like he is ever having fun on the court.

TravelinMan · #20 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 26, 2004, 09:34pm

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He doesn't seem like he is ever having fun on the court.

Neither did Bill Russell nor Bernard King. Your point?

ChuckElias · #21 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 27, 2004, 07:57am

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He doesn't seem like he is ever having fun on the court.

Would you be having fun if two of your last three general managers were Rick Pitino and Danny Ainge? And if you lost Antwain Walker, only to be replaced with Vin Baker? And if you lost Chauncey Billups, only to be replaced with Ricky Davis? And if you lost Jim O'Brien, only to be replaced with John Carroll?

The front office stinks, plain and simple.

tomegun · #22 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 27, 2004, 09:12am

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He doesn't seem like he is ever having fun on the court.

Neither did Bill Russell nor Bernard King. Your point?

Russell and King might not have looked like they were having fun becauase they were busy torching the other team

Most superstars today do have fun or so some sort of emotion on the court. The front office is pretty sorry. I don't see Ainge being there for a long time. Then again it is rare for anyone to be in place for a long time. Maybe my observation of Pierce should be more along the lines of he is supposed to be the franchise so he should do something other than pout when he is on the losing end. The guys who win have a certain quality about them that I haven't seen in him. I'm not even talking about winning the championship. Look at Garnett, he has always had "it" he just hasn't had the help. He might not have the right help now but nobody can say that he hasn't done his part on both ends of the court. Kobe is another example, he has a split personality on the court. If the "championship Kobe" shows up then the Lakers are a favorite to win. If the "selfish Kobe" shows up then it will be a tall order. It is like he has the ability to be the best player in the league but attitude, smarts and effort hamper him at times. He can even change during the game like he did on Sunday.
I'm just tired of seeing Pierce on the sideline looking like a million dollar baby!

ChuckElias · #23 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 27, 2004, 09:36am

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Maybe my observation of Pierce should be more along the lines of he is supposed to be the franchise so he should do something other than pout when he is on the losing end.

Like what? Wave the towel like M.L. Carr -- for the other team? How should he look when he's on the losing end? He went from Conference Finals 2 years ago, to 8th place with a pathetic losing record. How would like him to look?

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I'm just tired of seeing Pierce on the sideline looking like a million dollar baby!

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

tomegun · #24 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 27, 2004, 11:56am

I would like for him to be in the game and bring his team back or at least put up a fight! He is supposed to be their superstar isn't he?
Aren't you from that area? If you've never seen him on the bench pouting then you haven't watched very many of their games. It isn't like other "stars" when they are on the losing end. It is my opinion of him but, I would buy you a steak dinner if he ever makes it to the finals with Boston. He doesn't have "it."

ChuckElias · #25 (**permalink**) Tue Apr 27, 2004, 01:26pm

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I would like for him to be in the game and bring his team back or at least put up a fight!

So you're saying that he tanks the game if he feels the Celts are out of it? Is that your contention? Are you saying that he stops trying when the game is lopsided? I'm honestly just trying to figure out what the heck you're saying.

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If you've never seen him on the bench pouting then you haven't watched very many of their games.

Again, I'll ask, what would you like him to do while he's on the bench at the end of a blowout? Look happy? It's not like he takes himself out of the game (a la Pippen) b/c he's not happy with the plays the team is running. What should he be doing that he's not?

tomegun · #26 (**permalink**) Wed Apr 28, 2004, 05:52am

I'm not saying he tanks the game, I'm saying he doesn't have the "it" that other stars have had. If you are a boston fan and you think he is OK then I'm OK with that. There are fans here in DC that think the Redskins are going to the Superbowl just because they have Joe Gibbs. They also think the Wizards are good. I lived in Phoenix when Buddy Ryan was hired and they thought they had arrived. I mention these things to say I understand fan loyalty. I have to keep it real. For instance, I like the 49ers. They will probably be horrible and I will not defend a pro athlete or make excuses. I like the Lakers but after the playoffs something is going to change and it will probably not be for the good. If you think there isn't anything wrong with Pierce then that is fine. I'm sure the Pacers wouldn't mind playing them as long as he is on the team every year in the playoffs. Great players aren't always winners. That is purely my opinion or Pierce and if something changes then my opinion of him could change but I don't see it happening. If you don't agree I understand but it is an opinion that wasn't given to me like I see way too often. If I shouldn't have posted this then I apologize. I just love to talk about sports, almost all sports.

PS - I can't say the way Pierce looks on this board and it isn't a term or word I use anyway.

ChuckElias · #27 (**permalink**) Wed Apr 28, 2004, 07:36am

Tommy, I'm not asking for an apology. You're obviously entitled to your opinion. I'm just trying to figure out what your opinion is. Pierce doesn't have "it". Ok, I guess I can't really argue with that. On the other hand, he's the best player the Celtics have had since Bird retired.

I do watch the Celts quite a bit, and it seems to me that he plays hard when he's in the game; he does whatever the team asks him to do; he's not a selfish player. And he's done all this after he almost died in a knife attack. The only "superstar" thing he probably doesn't do is "make everybody around him better". And he can't do anything about the fact that people outside Boston don't adore him.

So he doesn't have "it". If we could get a couple players just like Pierce, even without "it", we'd destroy the East every year.

ref5678 · #28 (**permalink**) Sun May 02, 2004, 09:27am

earlier in the thread nba mechanics were being discussed does anyone know where i could find an nba or fiba mechanics mannual.

Dribble · #29 (**permalink**) Sun May 02, 2004, 12:54pm

FIBA manual can be found at http://www.fiba.com under Free Publications. For the two-person mechanics see:

http://www.fiba.com/asp_includes/dow...sp?file_id=219

I have a hard copy of the NBA mechanics manual (not very extensive), but I don't know if you can find it online or purchase one. Sorry I can't help you more on this point.