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Closely Guarded Rule

The only rules revisions I don't like are the two about dropping the closely guarded rule. I think one of the main problems with the NBA is that there is no closely guarded rule, so teams can just run isolations. I would rather see the aggressive defense and motion offense that can result from having the 5-second count. But, the people who make these things up are a lot smarter with a lot more experience than me.

Also, how likely are any of these to happen? I am not familiar with how the NFHS makes their revisions, usually the first I hear about them is when I get a new rulebook every year.

Re: Closely Guarded Rule

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Originally posted by CoachW
The only rules revisions I don't like are the two about dropping the closely guarded rule. I think one of the main problems with the NBA is that there is no closely guarded rule, so teams can just run isolations. I would rather see the aggressive defense and motion offense that can result from having the 5-second count. But, the people who make these things up are a lot smarter with a lot more experience than me.

Also, how likely are any of these to happen? I am not familiar with how the NFHS makes their revisions, usually the first I hear about them is when I get a new rulebook every year.

CoachW,
The new changes could be out any time now.
Someone will soon find them on the NFHS site and they'll be posted and discussed. ;)
mick

Re: 2004 Proposed Rule Revisions

My comments inline with dots...

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Originally posted by Nevadaref

1. 1-5-2 Remove the requirement for contrasting lane lines and lane space marks.
<LI>Fine...fewer irrelavent rules
2. 1-13-2 Delete the phrase mandating that the coaching box lines contrast with the OOB lines.
<LI>Fine...fewer irrelavent rules
3. 1-13-2 Standardize the length of the coaching box nationally, instead of allowing the state associations to choose 6 or 14. Doesn't say what the standard length would be.
<LI>Fine...fewer rules...hopefully 14'
4. 2-1-1 Permit the use of the grey shirt for officials.
<LI>Oppose only because it really only helps shirt makers and sellers...doesn't do anything for the game and they really don't look that much better.
5. 2-12-5 Change the time for the replacement of a player to 15 seconds with a warning horn at 10 seconds.
<LI>Fine...move the game along
6. 3-4-6 Note Require the home team to wear WHITE, the visiting team shall wear dark uniforms.
<LI>Indifferent.
7. 4-6 Allow the offense to commit BI without penalty.
<LI>Not fair unless you permit the defense the same priviledge...unless perhaps it's simply the touching of the rim that is being considered.
8. 4-10 Drop the closely guarded rule entirely.
<LI>Strongly oppose...it's a team game.
9. 4-10 Drop the closely guarded count while dribbling.
<LI>Strongly oppose...it's a team game.
10. 4-29 Making kicking include the whole leg, not just the knee or below.
<LI>Not critical...but may be harder to judge intent.
11. 4-35-4 Allow the airborne player exception to the backcourt violation to also apply if the airborne player passes the ball to a teammate before returning to the floor.
<LI>OK
12. 5-5 Play the game in two 16-minute halves.
<LI>OK...eliminates two last second shot chances where teams tend to hold the ball for the last shot.
13. 5-5 Play the game in two 18-minute halves.
<LI>Only if they don't expect official across the nation to do it for free...many may be willing to but I'd object the the presumptiousness of doing it.
14. 5-5-1 Allow the playing of halves instead of quarters to be a state assn adoption.
<LI>Do it or don't...no reason for state differences.
15. 5-8-3a Don't permit an airborne player to call time-out.
<LI>Oppose...if they wish to save the ball at that cost, let them.
16. 5-11-1 Allow one TO to be used for substitution only, not requiring the full time to be used.
<LI>OK
17. 7-5-9 On double personal or double technical fouls, put the ball back in play at POI, instead of using the arrow.
<LI>OK...probably a good thing
18. 8-1-3b Use the NCAA womens free throw line up, players must still wait for the ball to hit the ring or backboard before entering the lane.
<LI>Oppose...skewed too far to defense now, this would eliminate just about every offensive change.
19. 8-1-3b Use the NCAA womens free throw line up and allow players to enter upon the release.
<LI>Oppose...works well as it is now...no need to return to the banging that occured on the release that too many official were too good (read weak) to call.
20. 8-1-3b Allow the player in the first marked lane space (nearest the end line) to stand on the block. (NCAA Mens)
<LI>Unnecessary
21. 9-2-11 Note If a held ball occurs during a throw-in because the thrower holds the ball through the plane, consider it an OOB violation on the thrower. Reverse the arrow if it was an AP throw-in. Team B will now be given the ball for a throw-in.
<LI>Oppose...if the defense is good enough, they'll knock the ball away and will have the ball. If they can't earn it by action, they shouldn't be given the ball by a new rule.
22. 9-10-3b Stop the closely guarded count if the defenders switch, instead of continuing the count when a second defender takes over the guarding duty.
<LI>Oppose...team game...forces passing
23. 9-14 Permit the use of a shot clock by state assn adoption.
<LI>Unnecessary...touted mostly just to be like the big guys
24. 10-3-7d Make it a technical foul to purposely obstruct the vision of an opponent by placing hands near his/her eyes, whether or not the opponent has the ball.
<LI>OK
25. 10-4-4 Include a provision for players who leave the bench during an altercation (not just a fight). The penalty would be the same as for a fight = flagrant T.
<LI>Good
26. Signal chart Add the NCAA signal for not closely guarded.
<LI>Good

Those are our possible rule changes for this coming season.

Re: 2004 Proposed Rule Revisions

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Originally posted by Nevadaref
Along with the agenda for NFHS Basketball Rules Committee meeting this past weekend in Indy, the 2004 proposed rule revisions were distributed. They were voted upon at this meeting. I do not yet know which were passed.
Anyway here is a list of what was included (if anyone wants more info on a specific proposal just ask):
1. 1-5-2 Remove the requirement for contrasting lane lines and lane space marks.

Indifferent

2. 1-13-2 Delete the phrase mandating that the coaching box lines contrast with the OOB lines.

Indifferent

3. 1-13-2 Standardize the length of the coaching box nationally, instead of allowing the state associations to choose 6 or 14. Doesn't say what the standard length would be.

I wouldn't mind seeing a 14' box.

4. 2-1-1 Permit the use of the grey shirt for officials.

Indifferent. I've seen it in recent college games I've done and I'm still trying to warm up to the gray shirts.

5. 2-12-5 Change the time for the replacement of a player to 15 seconds with a warning horn at 10 seconds.

Are we that hard pressed to shave time off an average game?

6. 3-4-6 Note Require the home team to wear WHITE, the visiting team shall wear dark uniforms.

Opposed - with school districts having shrinking budgets, I can bet replacing buttloads of uniforms isn't high on the priority list.

7. 4-6 Allow the offense to commit BI without penalty.

why?

8. 4-10 Drop the closely guarded rule entirely.
9. 4-10 Drop the closely guarded count while dribbling.

I don't like this at all, but in my area, you're lucky to see officials count even when the defender is 6 millimeters away from the defender. ;)

10. 4-29 Making kicking include the whole leg, not just the knee or below.

How many players actively "kick" a ball with their upper legs?

11. 4-35-4 Allow the airborne player exception to the backcourt violation to also apply if the airborne player passes the ball to a teammate before returning to the floor.
12. 5-5 Play the game in two 16-minute halves.
13. 5-5 Play the game in two 18-minute halves.
14. 5-5-1 Allow the playing of halves instead of quarters to be a state assn adoption.
15. 5-8-3a Don't permit an airborne player to call time-out.

Don't like any of these.

16. 5-11-1 Allow one TO to be used for substitution only, not requiring the full time to be used.

Why not instead let the calling team end the time out early (as in NCAA)?

17. 7-5-9 On double personal or double technical fouls, put the ball back in play at POI, instead of using the arrow.

I like this.

18. 8-1-3b Use the NCAA womens free throw line up, players must still wait for the ball to hit the ring or backboard before entering the lane.
19. 8-1-3b Use the NCAA womens free throw line up and allow players to enter upon the release.
20. 8-1-3b Allow the player in the first marked lane space (nearest the end line) to stand on the block. (NCAA Mens)

I prefer #20.

21. 9-2-11 Note If a held ball occurs during a throw-in because the thrower holds the ball through the plane, consider it an OOB violation on the thrower. Reverse the arrow if it was an AP throw-in. Team B will now be given the ball for a throw-in.

Indifferent

22. 9-10-3b Stop the closely guarded count if the defenders switch, instead of continuing the count when a second defender takes over the guarding duty.

Don't think so, but see my comment for #9

23. 9-14 Permit the use of a shot clock by state assn adoption.

Shot clock in HS? *gag*

24. 10-3-7d Make it a technical foul to purposely obstruct the vision of an opponent by placing hands near his/her eyes, whether or not the opponent has the ball.

Couldn't this fall under existing unsporting conduct rules?

25. 10-4-4 Include a provision for players who leave the bench during an altercation (not just a fight). The penalty would be the same as for a fight = flagrant T.

Indifferent

26. Signal chart Add the NCAA signal for not closely guarded.

Why not just borrow the NCAA chart and strip out the irrelevant portions? :)

Those are our possible rule changes for this coming season.

What I'd really like to see is the NCAA team control foul rule, but that makes too much sense to be considered.