Recently I did a game in which the coach and player were father and son. I knew this before the game and have had the team a few times before.
During the game there was a play where I called a traveling violation on A1 (the son). A1 doesn't like the call and spikes the ball. Obvious T.
Coach of Team A (the father) pulls A1 out of the game and scolds him. The next time I am in front of the Team A bench the coach comments to me about his son's play, "How could he be so stupid?"
My response: "I'm guessing genetics." :D

Of course, this was said with a big, exaggerated smile so that the coach knew that I was joking and didn't think I was trying to insult him.

Hmmmm, so if I were to tell you to get your eye's checked, but do it with a big, exaggerated smile so that you know I'm joking and don't think I'm trying to insult you, you wouldn't whack me, would you? ;)

NevadRef
 

NevadaRef,

Please respond to the previous post. I'm interested if a coach with a big grin and smile said to you to get your eyes checked, would he get T'd? Seems like he couldnt based on the joking comment you made. Look forward to your response

I had a coach once tell me I should get my eyes checked. I thanked him for the suggestion, but told him I liked them they color they already were.

Hmmm, seems to me if the dad is calling his own son stupid, it's already out of the realm of taking comments seriously. If a coach said to me, "Hey, get your eyes checked," I wouldn't like it.

But suppose we're just talking before the game and he asks me about a banner or something on the other side of the gym and I make a joke saying, "Sorry Coach, I can't see that far", then it would in no way be out of line for him to rag me about my eyesight, and I would expect a big dexter-eating grin to accompany his comments.

This seems to be a similar situation. We're talking about his own dumb kid. A little razzing can't be out of line.

BBallCoach, welcome back. Lent must be over. :(

C'mon - I was joking!
 

Sheesh BBall, I was joking. You know, the little wink ;) symbol. I didn't expect any serious response from Nevada - I was only yanking his chain a bit when he wasn't looking...

The games I enjoy the most are the ones where <u>everyone</u> is capable of displaying a bit of self-deprecating humor. Wit and sense of humor are necessary check-valves in the pressure cooker environment of the game.


Like Chuck said - the coach was making light of a situation, inviting a smile or fun reaction to his comment. Nevada took the invitation and redirected the poke a little bit. Hopefully, we are all self-assured enough not to feel threatened by a fun jab at the appropriate time - and Chuck gave a good rationale about why the timing was probably appropriate.

No one will answer my question?
 

Why won't any one answer my question? Would that get a coach a T? And if so why?

Thanks

Re: No one will answer my question?
 

You asked for NevadaRef.
Did you fergit?

Re: No one will answer my question?
 

BBallTroll, Chuck did a great job of answering your question. The fact that you are not accepting his answer shows me it was not a legitimate question. If your question is serious, it only proves you have no sense of humor, and I feel sorry for the hypothetical athletes you may or may not coach.

Re: No one will answer my question?
 

OK, I'll answer your question. Yes, he would get a T. Why? Rule 11.2.4. Look it up.

Why the T?
 

Mark,

Isn't this being a bit hypocritical? If the coach is smiling shouldn't the official know that means he is joking and take it as such? You except the coach to know the official is only joking correct. So why the double standard?

Re: Re: No one will answer my question?
 

Mark, since you used dots instead of dashes, I'm assuming you're referring to case 11.2.4. Are you talking about Situation A, Situation B, or Situation D?

Re: Re: Re: No one will answer my question?
 

No - I'm referring to RULE 11.2.4. It's in the book just before rules 12, 13 and 14. As to a "double standard", that interpretation is illogical as supported by rule 13.3.2.

I want BBallCoach to look them up. Get it?

Refuses to answer me
 

Mark,

It seems to me that your being hypocritical by saying that you would T a coach for that. He smiled so that makes it a joke right Mark?

Mark - Isn't the 11th commandment thou shalt make d@#% sure you know the other 10? Get my drift? LOL

Re: Refuses to answer me
 

I addressed this in my post above.

Re: Re: Re: Re: No one will answer my question?
 

Mark, this is a new low....

AHA!!!
 

I always knew there was a conspiracy by you referees against us coaches! Why the nerve of you guys, giving us coaches rule books that only go up to 10! Trying to keep the upper hand, huh??? Now I'm really mad... :D :D :D

Re: Re: Re: Re: No one will answer my question?
 

Of course I get it. I was just trying to play along. Sigh. Where's my humor plug-in? :(

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No one will answer my question?
 

Portland's Professor Paradox

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No one will answer my question?
 

No - I'm pretty sure we've gone through this sort of thing before.

LOL, Mark!

Re: Why the T?
 

First off, Padgett you crack me up...second, to BBallCoach - yes, the coach gets T'd. Is that hypocritical and a double standard - yep. Tough noogies...see, we refs are the ones with the TOTAL power and TOTAL control of the game, and - basically - we can do whatever we want!!! Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha (that's my evil Dr. Frankenstein laugh there)

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No one will answer my question?
 

No, I go to a clinic with two doctors. That's the Portland's Professor Paradox.

Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it), neither one can keep up with prescribing my meds.

The coach definitely gets a "T" for those comments.

Thats absurd
 

It's amazing that you want to be respected and treated fairly but on the same hand you make what you assume is a joke to a coach and if they dont take it like that or give it back to you, you T him? That is a great role model for our society bait the coach into a T. You guy's are so classy. Dam! I don't get why most people disrespect offcials.

Re: Thats absurd
 

Way to go coach! Just please don't categorize all officials this way.

BBallCoach,
Have you looked up the rule he referenced? It's pretty clear when you read the rule book why this rule needs to be enforced in this case. We don't like to do it, but we are bound by the rules and rule 11.2.4 is very clear (one could easily call it's meaning transparent) on this issue. Please, get a rule book and look this up. As Padgett says, rule 13.3.2 leaves us absolutely no wiggle room on this.

Why won't BBallCoach answer my question?
 

Is it because he won't look up the rule?

Coach.....they're messin with ya......

Spoil sport. :D

Hey, I'm on your side....most of the time :D

Re: Thats absurd
 

In the immortal words of one of the all-time classy guys, Charles Barkley, "I am not a role model"...my job is to go out on the court and T every coach, every game...I go out of my way to put myself on the table side of the court so I can mouth off to the coaches - especially the assistants - and then when they say anything back - WHACK!! Nothing I like better than to see that look of horror/shock slowly spread over the face of a coach... well, maybe the smell of napalm in the morning, but that's another movie...I especially like T'ing up a coach when they look at me funny - those are the best T's of them all...T'ing - and potentially tossing - coaches is what keeps me in my stripes and polyester pants!!!

Re: Re: Thats absurd
 

[emoticon for mock indignation] Rockyroad, you should be ashamed of yourself. ;)

Hey BBallCoach
 

If you can find an official's manual, it helps to clear up this picture. It lays explicitly why jokes from coaches constitute technical fouls. I can't remember where exactly, but it's right after the portion about good refs not allowing overtime. Once again, the passage is pretty transparent, much like rule 11.2.4.

Re: Hey BBallCoach
 

The fact is there is casebook on this too. 11.2.4 Situation A (witty remarks about self or own team- no T) and Situation B (comedic comments about officials- T)

But the biggest secret we keep from coaches is discussed in casebook 4.45.1 (make up calls) shhhhhhh...

BBALLCOACH,,I have had that said to me in a game before as i ran past the coach and did not wack him,, i just came back down the court and made my own little commit, nothing to bad, i feel one response needs another

Re: Thats absurd
 

Yeah. We should be more like coaches -- scream, yell, and stomp our feet when we don't get our way.

What is that -- role models for 3 year olds???

BBall Coach

I don't understand you. I wonder if your players understand you?

It's a beautiful world where officials bait coaches into a T. An official makes a joke to a coach, smiles= no big deal. Coach makes a joke to an official smile=T hmmmm Ahhh the good old boy network double standard. I love it! Now I realize most of you became officials as a power trip and to help out your ego's but give me a break. Last time I checked no one has ever paid to watch a bunch of offcials attempt to run up and down the court, attempting to keep pace with the true reason fans show up the kids. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong and people are actually there to see officials and sports are not about the kids at all. Let me know! Cause on a board with this many Zeus's I would hate to be wrong. Ahhh maybe some day people will appreciate officials, but ahhh probably not!

I think that the standard should be that if the coach's comment is actually funny that he doesn't get a technical! Any way you look at it, NevadaRef's comment was funny!

Do you have no sense of humor?

I don't think many of us are in this job to be appreciated by others. I myself officiate because I love it. I love the game, and because I may lack some skill, I still want to be apart of it. I don't care if every coach hates me, I'm still going to go out there and do my job.

And in response to joking, I encounter some coaches quite often through the seasons, and some of them are fun people whom I will let get away with a bit of humour. A joke like the one that started this post is fine, but when the attitudes start to come out, its time to draw the line and give the warnings. I don't think i've had to give out a T for a misunderstood joke yet, and I hope i never do.