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Lorenzo Fri Apr 09, 2004 06:08pm

If a person goes up for a shot and air balls, and the ball hits the ground, Is that person allowed to get the ball without any person touching it? In other words is he able to be the first person to touch the ball without a violation being called on him.

Mark Padgett Fri Apr 09, 2004 06:13pm

At what level? Rules can be different for high school, college, pro and FEEBLE.

In high school in the US, this is legal.

Sometimes "driveway rules" are whatever the driveway owner says they are.

cmckenna Fri Apr 09, 2004 06:14pm

An attempted shot ends player control and team control. The shooter can recover without penalty

cmckenna Fri Apr 09, 2004 06:15pm

Ya beat me to it Mark, but good points. I neglected to consider anything other than Fed...

Jurassic Referee Fri Apr 09, 2004 06:16pm

Legal in NCAA. Illegal in NBA. FIBA- ?

rainmaker Fri Apr 09, 2004 06:54pm

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Originally posted by Lorenzo
If a person goes up for a shot and air balls, and the ball hits the ground, Is that person allowed to get the ball without any person touching it? In other words is he able to be the first person to touch the ball without a violation being called on him.
As everyone said, legal. And btw, you don't have to wait for the ball to bounce on the floor, even off the backboard is legal, or as it comes down from over the top.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Apr 09, 2004 10:18pm

I have looked at the FIBA Rules Book and Casebook and cannot find any rule or casebook play that prohibits the shooter from being the first player to touch that ball after shooting an airball. Maybe Mark Padgett can come to my aid on this play.

MTD, Sr.

Chin Ref Sat Apr 10, 2004 06:56am

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Legal in NCAA. Illegal in NBA. FIBA- ?
Legal in FIBA.

Nevadaref Sun Apr 11, 2004 07:12am

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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by Lorenzo
If a person goes up for a shot and air balls, and the ball hits the ground, Is that person allowed to get the ball without any person touching it? In other words is he able to be the first person to touch the ball without a violation being called on him.
As everyone said, legal. And btw, you don't have to wait for the ball to bounce on the floor, even off the backboard is legal, or as it comes down from over the top.

Uh, Juulie, wouldn't "over the top" make it OOB, and thus illegal?
Good point though about not having to wait for it to hit the floor. In NFHS or NCAA you may catch your own airball.
See the Nevada/GT game in this year's NCAA tourney.

cmckenna Sun Apr 11, 2004 09:13am

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nevadaref
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Uh, Juulie, wouldn't "over the top" make it OOB, and thus illegal?
As long as it doesn't touch any supports or cables or anything it should be ok, right ???

ChuckElias Sun Apr 11, 2004 11:23am

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Originally posted by Nevadaref
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Originally posted by rainmaker
even off the backboard is legal, or as it comes down from over the top.
Uh, Juulie, wouldn't "over the top" make it OOB, and thus illegal?

I'm just guessing, but I think she means "over the top of the basket". Up, over the rim without touching, and down on the other side.

You're right -- the ball passing over a rectangular backboard is a violation; however, I don't think that's what Juulie had in mind.

ChuckElias Sun Apr 11, 2004 11:24am

[QUOTE]Originally posted by cmckenna
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Originally posted by Nevadaref
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Uh, Juulie, wouldn't "over the top" make it OOB, and thus illegal?
As long as it doesn't touch any supports or cables or anything it should be ok, right ???
Nope. If it passes over any part of a rectangular backboard (front to back, or back to front) it's a violation.

rainmaker Sun Apr 11, 2004 12:51pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by Nevadaref
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Originally posted by rainmaker
even off the backboard is legal, or as it comes down from over the top.
Uh, Juulie, wouldn't "over the top" make it OOB, and thus illegal?

I'm just guessing, but I think she means "over the top of the basket". Up, over the rim without touching, and down on the other side.

You're right -- the ball passing over a rectangular backboard is a violation; however, I don't think that's what Juulie had in mind.

Wow!! Chuck's not only a nice guy, but a mind-reader, as well. That's exactly what I meant. I think these are probably the most common "air-ball travels", aren't they?

ChuckElias Sun Apr 11, 2004 07:06pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
Wow!! Chuck's not only a nice guy, but a mind-reader, as well. That's exactly what I meant.
I'm not a mind-reader. I am, however, a logician. And one fundamental logical form is the disjunctive syllogism. If you only have two choices, and you know one of them can't be true, then logic dictates that the other must be true.

My choices were:

1) Juulie thinks it's legal for the ball to pass over a rectangular backboard; or

2) Juulie's talking about a ball that goes over the basket.

I knew (1) was false. It was easy after that :)


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I think these are probably the most common "air-ball travels", aren't they?
I would go with the jumper that comes up short. But as others sometimes say, YMMV.

BktBallRef Sun Apr 11, 2004 08:04pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
Wow!! Chuck's not only a nice guy, but a mind-reader, as well. That's exactly what I meant. I think these are probably the most common "air-ball travels", aren't they?
Yeah, right. :)

Nice save, Chuck. ;)


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