Some of you may have read about my little situation in the Assault on Officials thread.

Just some more backround information and asking for some thoughts on how this was handled.

Home #21, everytime he got the ball, he'd drive right through any defender who was in his way.

After the second time, i started to expect this and watch him do it and call him on it. Now the coaches are complaining that i'm picking on this kid.

But if i know the fouls gonna happen, should i make special attention to watch for it??

Would you pay special attention to it in this situation???


Also, this player tried to draw the player control foul while on defence. But there was no contact and he took a dive. It happened twice in my partner's primary. When the coach irately questioned him on it he responded that there was no contact. I saw the second try, and there was no contact. I'm just wondering whether or not any of you guys have called an unsporting T for taking a dive??? Its one of those rules i've never seen enforced, and i'm just wondering if any of you have enforced it??

[Edited by ref18 on Apr 8th, 2004 at 09:25 PM]

You never KNOW when a foul is gonna happen. Just call them when they do happen.

As for the coach, just ignore, until you've had enough. Then tell him, "Coach, that's enough."

As for calling a T because a kid is flopping, don't be a plumber.

By the end of that game, we T'd up 2 of 3 assistants. The coach just stood there, we didn't hear anything from him. The problem was one of his assistants was a very prominant high school coach in the area, and he should've had the head coaches spot, and he couldn't understand why we weren't granting his timouts or listning to him complain, that's why he got his T, after about 5 warnings.

Thanks for your response.

While it's usually best to just ignore assistants, this is one of those cases where it's best to just quietly say (to him - without showing him up) "Hey, coach, only the head coach can request a timeout."

Of course, I don't know if you did this or not. Even still, after five warnings, he probably deserves the T.

I know the best thing to do here is no call on the dive. A Tech is stirring the pot. However, I have come up with a block here. Kinda sends a message to the diver that if everyone is going to see contact, I'm gonna hit the whistle and punish who deserves it.

May not be right but it handles it with out much more being said.

I tend to look at the player in the eyes and say "dont you dare take a dive on me again" do you understand! They get the point.

As far as the T's you gave out to the coaches, don't beat yourself up over it, sounds like they needed it.

You mean, just sat there, don't you? :)

Sometimes even just the look, usually with one eyebrow appropriately cocked, is enough....they usually know when you've caught them.

When assistant coaches start pushing the envelope, unless it's something really flagrant, my first action is to quietly let the head coach know that he/she needs to get their bench under control. Most of the time, I get either a nod from the coach or a quiet "I'll take care of it" in response. In my experience, that does the trick most of the time - if it doesn't, then you can penalize any further misconduct.

Given that they didn't listen to your warnings, I don't see that you had much choice.

I usually say something to the player like, "Academy Awards were last month." Or, "Save the drama for your mama." Or, "Boy, the floor must be really slippery tonight."

They get the message. It's the same when a player complains they were fouled when the contact was minimal. They hear "Girls played last night". (apologies to Juulie)

I don't think that would've helped. ;) This was the guy to whom I said, "That's 5, your gone" and he didn't seem to take to that very well.

You've gotta get used to Mark. He's a great ref, but his advice can be a little, well let's just say it'w worth as much as you pay for it

Mark, girls play basketball?

Kinda. ;)

Hey Snaq, when I called in NY they had a separate officials organization for HS girls basketball exclusively. Different looking patch for officials too. Is that unusual or do other states do the same? How about the rest of our forum? What does your state do?

Here in Iowa it's the same thing. Two different sanctioning organizations. I was told Iowa is the only state that does that, but I believe Washington state does the same thing.

In WA state "Associations" do boys and "Boards" do the girls. Both come under the auspices of The Washington Officials Association. We both wear the same patch, same clinics and most areas share the same pool of officials. The girls do have some specific rules ie 30 second shot clock, no backcourt 10 second count (but do have over and back once front court status is obtained) and closely guarded holding the ball (not while dribbling. Seems to work OK but it presents recruiting difficulties as most rookies want to work boys ball.

Not quite true for the whole State...the bigger areas - Seattle, Tacoma, Snohomish County, etc. - have Boards vs. Associations...us piddly little places have Assoc. for both...and btw: Snohomish is a Native American term meaning "the Mariners couldn't beat the Angels even if the Angels didn't show up at the stadium"...sigh....

[ Not quite true for the whole State...the bigger areas - Seattle, Tacoma, Snohomish County, etc. - have Boards vs. Associations...us piddly little places have Assoc. for both...and btw: Snohomish is a Native American term meaning "the Mariners couldn't beat the Angels even if the Angels didn't show up at the stadium"...sigh.... [/B][/QUOTE]

Actually it is true even though you may not be involved enought to be aware of it. You may all meet at the same time and place etc but you have an assignor for boys and one for girls (Ottini and Shaw if I remember)and two organizations even though it may be "all in one". If you do boys basketball (designated 1st sport) you must register with the "association" and if you also do girls ball you must register with WOA through the "board" as well.

DJ not involved enough to be aware?!? Wha.... ??

My thought exactlyJuuli...although I have no idea who Ottini and Shaw are, I have spent a number of years on the "board" of my local "association", and I know that the Evergreen Basketball Association has ONE assignor who does ALL HS games in our area - and we all work for ONE Association (already named)...we pay two different sets of dues to the State (WOA), but I belong to only one Association...so as I said before, the larger areas of the state blah, blah, blah...and now Snohomish simply means "the Mariners can beat the Angels every 5th time they play"...2-7, baby...2-7!

As I said, in Iowa, boys and girls are done separately at the state level. The Iowa High School Athletic Association (sorry, Juulie, but they only sanction boys' stuff) is not affiliated, technically, with the Iowa Girls High School Athletic Union. Assignments are generally done at the conference or school level, though, and most refs here do both. In Des Moines, boys' and girls' games are all assigned by the DMOA (Des Moines Officials' Association) by arrangement with the conference. I think our structure is actually quite simple compared to some I've seen; yet it's a bit more complex than sending postcards to the athletic directors.