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JugglingReferee Wed Mar 17, 2004 03:40pm

Scrap everything...
 
...and create the TCS.

The Tournament Championship Series, modelled after the BCS.

Jurassic Referee Wed Mar 17, 2004 04:14pm

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Originally posted by BBall_Junkie

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Thank you for your opinion. Tell me a coach who doesn't. Anyway you want to look at it he is a success, and what he does works.... get over it.

[/B][/QUOTE]There ain't nothing for me to get over. I'm not a fanboy like you. I'm an official, and I try to look at things from an official's perspective. From an official's perspective, Coach K is a whiny little hemorrhoid. I didn't say that he wasn't a good coach, or that he wasn't successful. I also didn't say that he was alone as a whiner. Unfortunately, that seems to be part of the job description of a D1 coach anymore. I did say that that, when it comes to a lack of sportsmanship and constant whining at officials, Coach K is one of the all-time greats. If a hemorrhoid could talk, it would sound just like him.

If it makes you feel any better, Dean Smith and John Wooden were whiny little hemorrhoids too when they coached, and they were both Hall of Fame coaches.

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Mar 17th, 2004 at 03:16 PM]

BBall_Junkie Wed Mar 17, 2004 04:48pm

I am an official just the same as you and call both High School and college ball (juco and the smaller stuff, not D1 though I aspire to get there someday)... so before you jump to conclusions with a "fanboy like you" comment get the facts first. I don't believe the personal attack was warranted. You definately have an opinion about Coach K that is fine...and your follow-up comments about all coached being whinners clarifies things abit for me. I don't agree with him being the worst of the worst is true, that is my opinion. His team gets more exposure than most so this may contribute to the perception, I don't know. However, whatever he is doing is working. Does the coaching profession need to change and show more respect to officials... absolutely. Is Coach K an angel on the sidelines ... not in a long shot (although I do respect what he does off the court). I too have the ability to look at things objectively, from a refs point of view if you will. Coach K made some comments in the media this week (talked about on the Jim Rome Show today)that the fans and media are out to get Duke because of who they are... comments that I feel are out of line and could best be described as whiney. But he is no different from 95% of the other coaches out there.

I recognize that fans come on here and gripe about officials and protect their coaches/ teams often and when recognized the fan boy comments are warranted and they need to take that garbage somewhere else. However, before you make a leap an assume ask first. I have been watching this board for years. My post numbers aren't high but I read alot of what goes on on this board. The "get over it" comment was obviously taken as an attack by you and is the danger with the written word. This is not how I intended it to be taken. I meant it as kinda "what's the big deal" and my body language if speaking to you personally would have probably had a shrug of the shoulders.I have enjoyed your posts in the past and will continue to do so.

Jurassic Referee Wed Mar 17, 2004 05:12pm

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Originally posted by BBall_Junkie
I am an official just the same as you and call both High School and college ball (juco and the smaller stuff, not D1 though I aspire to get there someday)... so before you jump to conclusions with a "fanboy like you" comment get the facts first. I don't believe the personal attack was warranted.


Chill, Junkie. Nothing personal was intended. You haven't been speaking as an official in this thread, have you? Be honest. You have been speaking as a Duke fanboy. Same as Tony (bktballref) was posting as a Tar Heel fanboy. Etc,etc,etc. Nothing the matter with that. Personally, I'm not a big fan of any specific NCAA team. However, if I see a game where one coach is working the officials all the time, and the other official is just doing it occasionally, then I have a hard time rooting for the yapper's team. Imo, Coach K is one of the all-time yappers. That don't mean that he doesn't run a good program, or that he's not a great coach. It just simply means that I think that he yaps at officials WAY too much. That's jmo.

Btw, I'm a NY Yankee fanboy. Does that tell you something?
:D

Hawks Coach Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:58pm

jrut and LDUB
2 out of 3 Big Ten wannabes eliminated from NIT in 1st round (Go Blue!!!). ACC has won its first two games. And that with its top 6 in the winners bracket tournament, also known as Big Dance or NCAA. I am sure Iowa and Purdue belonged in the NCAA though.

BktBallRef Thu Mar 18, 2004 12:57am

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Originally posted by Hawks Coach
jrut and LDUB
2 out of 3 Big Ten wannabes eliminated from NIT in 1st round (Go Blue!!!). ACC has won its first two games. And that with its top 6 in the winners bracket tournament, also known as Big Dance or NCAA. I am sure Iowa and Purdue belonged in the NCAA though.

:)

Nevadaref Thu Mar 18, 2004 01:44am

someone else's thoughts are similar
 
From the article by Andy Katz on ESPN March 17:

Maryland: The Terps are on a great run right now. Maryland beat NC State on the road, took out Virginia and then won the ACC tournament, capped by a title win over Duke on Sunday. The Terps were rewarded with a No. 4 seed. But will the Terps live up to that kind of seed? Maryland may need to step it up to honor the selection committee by winning a few games. It may not be fair to put the onus on the Terps after going from the bubble to a No. 4 seed. But they did receive the seed and now the pressure is on them to live up to it.

Hawks Coach Thu Mar 18, 2004 04:31am

Team with Most to Prove
 
My nominees would be:
UMD - big jump needs big first weekend to back the seed - two wins and the committee is proven right

St Joes - been called out all season by the big conference fan club, Billy Packer, President

Duke - lose conference tourney and keep a top seed - everybody but Duke fans wants them knocked down a notch

WI - complained about 6 seed (rightfully), but playing at home - need to defend honor of Big Ten

Pitt, OSU, UCONN - any of whom can make the case for a higher seed - need to win now to back that case

Mid-major at-large teams - unpreceented numbers of mid-majors, they have been begging for more for years, now they need to show they belong by taking on the big dogs

Jurassic Referee Thu Mar 18, 2004 09:10am

Final Four- Gonzaga, Duke, Okla. State & North Carolina State.

Gonzaga beats Duke. Coach K whines at officials. :D
N.C. State beats Okla. St.

Gonzaga wins national championship.

Hawks Coach Thu Mar 18, 2004 09:48am

What is the relevance of the projected game result
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Gonzaga beats Duke. Coach K whines at officials. :D

Anybody beats Duke. Coach K whines at officials (and media, and . . .)

Duke beats anybody, by any margin. Coach K whines at officials.

Duke stops at restaurant on bus ride home. Coach K whines at counter people.


Rich Thu Mar 18, 2004 09:50am

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Final Four- Gonzaga, Duke, Okla. State & North Carolina State.

Gonzaga beats Duke. Coach K whines at officials. :D
N.C. State beats Okla. St.

Gonzaga wins national championship.

I have 2 ACC teams in the Final Four, but mine are Wake Forest and Duke.

I see Kentucky/Duke, with Coach K whining his way to another NC, 78-71.

--Rich

Jurassic Referee Thu Mar 18, 2004 10:24am

Re: What is the relevance of the projected game result
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hawks Coach
Quote:

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Gonzaga beats Duke. Coach K whines at officials. :D

Anybody beats Duke. Coach K whines at officials (and media, and . . .)

Duke beats anybody, by any margin. Coach K whines at officials.

Duke stops at restaurant on bus ride home. Coach K whines at counter people.


Excellent points, Coach! LOL!

Jurassic Referee Thu Mar 18, 2004 10:26am

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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser


I see Kentucky/Duke, with Coach K whining his way to another NC, 78-71.

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If that happens, then I'll be the one whining!

Hawks Coach Thu Mar 18, 2004 12:20pm

LDUB and jrut
You will (no doubt) be happy to note that I have UMD out in the first round to UTEP and no ACC teams in Final Four. Hope that helps you sleep better tonight!

I think Coach K whined when I knocked Duke out in the regional final, but maybe it was my cat at the door asking to go out.

Nevadaref Thu Mar 18, 2004 02:02pm

First game of the tournament and Manhattan is putting it to Florida. 12 over 5!!!!!!! Shall we make it 16 of the last 17 years?


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